What are you going to do if McCain wins?

i may qualify for british citizenship (mom still being a British citizen and all), but i wouldn't move to the UK if mccain wins b/c any bad shit that happens to the U.S. b/c of McCain will most likely also happen to the U.K. given the tendency of British prime ministers to act as lapdogs to whomever is in the White House. also, i am much more concerned about an economic armageddon (which, you know, is kinda happening NOW what with Lehman Bros and WaMu and shit) than a military/nuclear one and the british economy is just as fucked as the american economy (e.g., the london real estate market is even MORE crazy unaffordable fucked-up than anything over here).

shrug

*plop*

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiz!

(sorry, had to)

as for the "moving to a swing state" argument -- i've been working O/T to convince all relatives still living in PA to vote Obama. esp. my younger sister who 4 years ago swore up-and-down that she was voting for Kerry and then turned around and voted for Dubya.

i suppose in a year or so, i could ask another good friend to try and hook me up with a job in brussels..

dc economy probably not going as much into the shitbin as other metro areas, but .. i am plenty worried regardless of who gets elected

if he wins over barack obama then this country is fucked. not because of what MCCAIN will do but because of what it says about this country

i agree wholeheartedly with this, not because of "lol racists" but because if american voters are willing to digest and ignore flat-out lies at a rate with which we've never seen before, then we've set a precedent of never ever being told anything close to the truth from this administration and in elections following it

this administration= a potential mccain administration

i would consider moving to toronto or vancouver, at least before mccain institutes a draft

Our people's ability to digest and ignore flat-out lies is the bedrock upon which this great nation was built.

well, plenty of people believed the horsesh!t the swift vets put out last time around. my personal view is that there is so much out there, cable news, talk radio, internet, total information overload, people tend to filter it according to gut instincts because they don't trust any source to present objective facts. news organizations simply report on what was said by a campaign without doing any fact checking, give free airtime to campaign ads by featuring them as news.. it becomes real easy to only hear what you want to hear. this goes for both sides imho.

OTM^^

McCain is a) not going to win, and b) possibly worse than Bush, but would have to work with a Dem Congress. I think leaving the US is just as dumb negative-identity-branding as being too cool to vote for a Dem.

i'm not dumb enough to buy into the democrat = good republican = evil bullshit that's been pressed into the minds of under-30 liberals for the past 20 years.

lol

xp - people tend to filter it according to gut instincts what everyone else around them is doing

i agree wholeheartedly with this, not because of "lol racists" but because if american voters are willing to digest and ignore flat-out lies at a rate with which we've never seen before

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In 2004 I had four years of school to finish, horrified as I was at the prospect of doing it in an America from which I was so obviously alienated.

McCain is a) not going to win, and b) possibly worse than Bush, but would have to work with a Dem Congress. I think leaving the US is just as dumb negative-identity-branding as being too cool to vote for a Dem.

OTM. Leaving the country b/c you're not happy with the President is like voting for Sun Ra in a district that leans heavily Obama. But it doesn't matter b/c there is no way McCain is going to win.

Guys fwiw any impulse I have towards leaving has less to do with "omg a Republican president" and more to do with this particular deregulating president, his war drive, and my creeping dread about the nonpartisan collapse of the American Empire and subsequent bread lines.

You're, what, twenty-one? Wait till you start dealing with credit card debt, college loans, and mortgages.

I'm there already at 22, but your point is understood.

I've got significant school loan & CC debt and I frequently worry about the looming increases in my expenses (grad school, higher rent in whatever city I move to), but they don't give me nightmares like that other stuff does.

My wife was recently talking to me about fleeing because of the oncoming economic collapse. Usually, she's a pretty smart cookie, but I had to disabuse her of that bullshit right away. The problem, I think, is that she listens to this echo chamber of liberal talk radio & blogs, etc., and to be honest, liberals (of which I'm one) tend to be the worst chicken littles.

My point here is that it's obviously not just her trapped in that echo chamber.

fuck this, there is no way in hell that I or any of you other sane people are going to let these deluded motherfuckers wreck the world anymore.

i'm thinking that after last week, one of the only ways that mccain could (gulp) win, would necessitate the left's (or certain elements of th'left) paranoid fantasies of iran fabricated-attack shenanigans coming to pass at some point in the next few weeks...but even if something like that were to happen, i take encouragement from the general public's response to the initial bailout proposal earlier this week-- to quote gdubya, "fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

won't get fooled again -- The Who

Cross your fingers and hope President Obama doesn't order missiles into Pakistan, or consider Iran an "existential" threat to Israel.

you are smarter than Barack Obama, Al

big hoos accept that you are young ok

it's a mitzvah

gabbneb don't even joke about there being one person on the planet who is smarter than Obama, some things are sacred ok

guys mccain is not going to win, i mean his own party doesn't even like him

but they like power and he's their only ticket to punch

"My party, right or wrong...."

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I know, I guess it was a moment where Bush's attempt at trying to parrot homespun folk wisdom collided with flashbacks from his wild partying days.

paranoid fantasies of iran fabricated-attack shenanigans coming to pass at some point in the next few weeks

OTM. this is a real concern. hardliners in iran preferring mccain get elected because diplomacy is going to threaten their own power

http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/Article.aspx?id=851953

A tense standoff has developed in waters off Somalia over an Iranian merchant ship laden with a mysterious cargo that was hijacked by pirates.

Somali pirates suffered skin burns, lost hair and fell gravely ill “within days” of boarding the MV Iran Deyanat. Some of them died.

sounds like a fluke http://www.geocities.com/area51/hollow/5126/fluke2.jpg

hardliners in iran preferring mccain get elected because diplomacy is going to threaten their own power

ABSOLUTEMENT.

if he wins over barack obama then this country is fucked. not because of what MCCAIN will do but because of what it says about this country, it proves everyone right.

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what it says about this country, it proves everyone right.

This is the hopeless feeling I got after 2004. I'm hoping November will redeem it somewhat.

I got that. FWIW what has bothered me over the past four years is the strong upturn in incidents of people being absolutely horrible to Americans for bigot reasons. That will be as NOTHING if Palin gets anywhere near the nuke codes.

people, Sarah Palin is not going to be living on Massachusetts Avenue any time soon. She's going to lose the election and then go back to Alaska.

she might stop at Disneyland on the way, tho

I want to belEEEEVE!

if mccain wins, i may be disturbed enough by what that says about the country to actually try volunteering or working in some kind of socially useful capacity for the sake of a tiny, tiny counterbalance.

i don't really understand why this would compel anyone to go abroad unless they were already lukewarm on livin in America (which sounds like it's the case for some of you). but I don't think it says anything special abt America if McCain gets elected either? i mean, why is that so upsetting to yall? this isn't weimar germany, what the fuck would you be fleeing exactly? you all sound like a bunch of babies imo

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now that cankles has weighed in, I think this thread is closed.

http://www.michaeltyler.co.uk/uploaded_images/thats-all-folks-711767.jpg

stfu BIG HOOS aka the steendriver

wakka wakka bitch

i'm not sure what people would expect to find anywhere else in terms of progressive folks + a multicultural society, i think what we have here is about as close as it gets tbh, along with some other countries that may be around the same level.

cankles is right, at least stick around and try to sort shit out, rather than be a curious mix of self-loathing and ultra-defensive while letting the bastards win

lol yeah also do you guys really want to flee and leave this country and it's massive arsenal in the hands of those you are hating on? i mean i wouldn't.