"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

Are aliens really so much more unpalatable than say Jesus? (Mr. Eko & Charlie's Catholic ghostings, Locke's Christ-makeover)

was much more disappointed that Desmond didn't action-hero growl "see you in another lifetime, brother" at Ben before he threw him in the water.

"i haven't beaten anyone up this badly since Celtic won THE CUP"

xpost: I just feel that "it came from outer space" would be an unforgivable cop-out at this point.

Not that I'm actually afraid they'll do that, but given Lost's sci-fi leanings, the hieroglyphs did give me pause.

Somewhere in the Temple is a donkey wheel that activates the Stargate.

I get that a Lost/Stargate crossover would be barftastic, but there aren't a whole lot of options on the table. It's either aliens or jesus or jesus-aliens or coma-fantasy. What else could they reasonably do?

Wasn't Twin Peaks resolved as demonic anyway (and therefore in the jesus-realm)?

there were UFOs in twin peaks

xpost: Well, the Agent Cooper/Black Lodge thing could be construed as demonic, but Lynch unraveled all the more soap-operatic elements of the show to absurd lengths and then just left them hanging. There has bee some debate as to whether he did that with the intention of picking the show back up in some other context, or if it was a big "fuck you" to the network for forcing him to resolve the murder mystery and then moving the show to Saturday nights.

As for Lost, I'd be happy if they just stuck with the quantum mechanics/wormholes/electro-magnetism/time-travel, basic dualism, fatalism vs. free will etc. I mean, sure, these themes are time-worn to the point of cliche as well, but the show has done a great job with them thusfar IMO, and any further, significant cosmic extrapolation would be unnecessary, especially if it had to do with alien-egyptology, but maybe that is just a matter of personal taste.

there were UFOs in twin peaks - yeah, there was the whole Major Briggs/Project Bluebook thing, but that was pretty quickly dropped, if I am recall correctly.

there hasn't been any inkling of UFOs in lost. this show is about egyptian pirates.

we'll see..

well now that you said it, the writer's will see this thread and put UFO's in the show

yeah geez thanks a lot

xpost: yes, obviously that will now happen.

i am cool with the smokemonster being from space

ffs Ben tho "well, we don't even have a word for it..."

really. so you've just been referring to it as 'it' all this time. ok.

Some people on lostpedia think he calls it "Ammit", which would make sense, but he kind of stutters on the line and it isn't clear.

I think he said Amirite?

nobody has mentioned that next week is a miles-centric episode. i am stoked.

3.2 million dollars!

The podcast mentioned that that figure will be explained in this season, presumably in hoth.

I originally thought it was a coded message regarding coordinates, but now i'm guessing he just had a really huge student loan.

I already kinda love Miles, but I'm definitely awaiting/hoping to see how his ghost talking is going to be some kind of side effect from radiation/time travel.

I really want the next episode to move the plot forward rather than fill in gaps from the past but I will do a complete U-Turn on this stance if it involves Miles talking to dead pirates.

dopest thing in ages was the 816ers taking out lapidus. more of that plz.

I hope that when the Dharma people watch Star Wars Hurley starts dropping spoilers about Vader being Luke's dad and Jar Jar.

Bit disappointed Cesar got taken down though. Thought there was more to come with that dude.

maybe there is and the island will bring him back to life so that there is

The game of Risk we saw set up in the barracks indicates that we’re not dealing with an alternate timeline version of 2007. Back in 2004 (pre time jumping by our Losties) when the Losties were living in the barracks (before Keamy’s team invaded), Sawyer and Hurley were playing that same Risk game and it appears to be set up the same way (see 4×09 The Shape of Things to Come) in 2007. This leads me to believe that the version of 2007 we’re seeing is an extension of the version of 2004 we saw before all the time jumping occurred.

isn't hoth an egyptian god?

Thoth is.

what about the theory that the current version of locke (post-death, post-2nd-plane-crash) is a smoke monster apparition à la ben's kid and christian shepard?

Thoth supposedly wrote the Book of the Dead--so it would be Miles appropriate.

xp xp hoth is an ice planet

xp nah

I think Locke 2.0 is Smokey infected but not an apparition.

he did show up after ben flushed the toilet this ep!

there was something pretty spooky about locke yeah.

still impressed by michael emerson's ability to keep you in doubt.

and also to change up, like when he took down that guy from la haine daaaaamn.

what about the theory that the current version of locke (post-death, post-2nd-plane-crash) is a smoke monster apparition à la ben's kid and christian shepard?

they'll open that big metal box and see dead locke in there maybe

ya im thinking you might see locke's body at some point and be like uh ohhhhhh

I wonder where Locke went while Ben was flushing the Smokey toilet. Probably off to blow something up.

wherever smoke monster ghoster coasters go

If Locke is the smoeke monster though why would Alex the smoke monster tell Ben not to kill him/itself(?).

"What lies in the shadow of the statue?"

She's totally a Widmore goon isn't she?

If Locke is the smoeke monster though why would Alex the smoke monster tell Ben not to kill him/itself(?).

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if someone was going to kill you wouldn't you tell him not to kill you

bc ben feels so guilty re: alex he'd listen to smokey in alex form more than in locke form.

I couldn't tell whether it was just bad scripting or whether nu-Locke seemed totally cocky and self-assured, but my guess is that he saw something while 'dead', and maybe it's a similar thing to whatever Ben saw when Richard took him into the temple. A Locke deathflashback would be OMGK-AWESOME. Or possibly crap. Maybe Miles's head will spin when he bumps into either Ben or Locke.

I watched this again and I think I was a bit harsh the first time round. The Ben v Locke zinging was funny. Also everything that Ben said was so obviously a lie that I'm inclined to take anything we didn't know the answer to with a big pinch of salt.

I want a Hurley v Smokey episode sometime soon.

Also, the Island doesn't really seem that bothered about people killing other people, so I can't really see why it would be that arsed about Ben letting Alex die. Perhaps Smokey took Eko down because he WAS repentant about his brother's death, whereas Ben deep down was talking a load of shit.

Locke was totally cocky - I mean, come on, he actually beat Ben, and pretty damn soundly by actually coming back to life after being murdered by the guy. He spelled it out pretty clearly about the role reversal between the two of them (remember the last two seasons, he was completely led by the nose, and shot by Ben too!). When Locke finally meets up with Jack again it should be really interesting, considering how much both characters have changed.

Ben lies about everything (the actor does such a good job that it throws everyone, the viewer too, into doubt) but I think the episode does give a bit of straw, that reveals that he may have figured out a lot of things about the island but doesn't legitimately know it all, he seemed to not know what Smokey really is, or about the area below the temple gate. Ben's lying also implied that he really didn't expect Locke to come back to life (or he would've had a better plan about that, for sure).

Still wondering about how/if they'll explain that he didn't remember the '70s incursion of the 815ers - only way that will work if Kid Ben doesn't return to Dharma before (I assume) our guys return to the present. (and that's assuming the Island intentionally took just those memories, since he remembered the rest)

The Island definitely takes a neutral stance on murdering people, innocent or guilty - I believe it only pointed out Alex's death since that was the one factor it could use to actually guilt and motivate Ben to not kill Locke again.

I think Locke's smugness just comes from being a knowing device for Island objectives ala Christian. presumably they were both re-animated the same way (whether they both emerged from their coffins and wandered off who knows). i wish we could see what happened when Locke first encountered the monster - what he saw to make him believe he'd looked into the eye of the island or whatever ("and what i saw was beautiful"), even if it was just a bunch of old memories ala Eko and he was judged accordingly. The Island does seem to judge people based on their repentence. Ben was repentent. Eko was NOT (he said he killed because he had to and was not sorry, tho it arguably led to Yemi's death...but given this was a write-out for the character is likely to be ropey as an indication of anything ultimately).

I don't see what Ben has to gain by telling Sun what he did so i don't think he was lying about being terrified by nu-Locke, hence wanting to kill him again (as Monster Alex claimed).

Ben's been trying to maneuver the survivors of 316 to kill Locke for him, even as unlikely as it is that Sun would, it's consistent - probably the central reason he bothered to shoot Cesar - and let's not forget Walt's premonition which is probably going to come to a head before this season's over.