2008 Primaries Thread

just watched this, not much to add besides echoing the feeling expressed by ethan etc. re: feeling proud to be a democrat. both policy and cordiality were refreshing

Again, I will say that I will campaign for anyone with a (D) by their name come time, but I am rootin' for Obama.

FB, you're trying to post an .SVG as an image, i don't think it will work

fox and friends billing the debate as a "makeout session"

the relative unity, clarity and purpose of that debate no doubt enraged right wingers nationwide

seriously, if you don't listen to right wing talk radio, you really owe it to yourself to tune tomorrow, monday and tuesday. the way they're going off on mccain is amaking for some classic radio.

i assume a lather of some type is being worked into?

"timetables" in iraq is going to be a huge topic in the g.e. -- the democrat will be painted as a milquetoast micromanager who ignores generals on the ground

yeah.

apparently, a few commenters on the news channels have stated that mccain's recent victories show that conservative talk radio is no longer a force to be reckoned with, which is adding fuel to the fire.

xp

Not sure where to post this, but the otherwise useless Charles Krauthammer acknowledges the Reagan-Bil Clinton geneaology:

What is the legacy of the Clinton presidency? Consolidator of the Reagan revolution. As Dwight Eisenhower made permanent FDR's New Deal and Tony Blair institutionalized Thatcherism, Clinton consolidated Reaganism. He did so most symbolically with his 1996 State of the Union declaration that "the era of big government is over." And more concretely, with a presidency that only tinkered with such structural Reaganite changes as tax cuts and deregulation, and whose major domestic achievement was the abolition of welfare, Reagan's ultimate social bete noire.

And Sullivan gives Obama the crown.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/10108/thumbs/s-OBAMA-CHAIR-HILLARY-large.jpg

aw

will this Mccain 'i hate gooks' thing go anywhere? maybe not during the primaries, but I can see that coming back up to bite his ass during the general election. Obv. extenuating circumstances with him, and no-one probably believes he is an outright racist, and yes the electorate obviously forgives a lot of things in their presidents, but...

jeez, Krauthammer OTM.

and, surprisingly, so is NYT TV critic Alessandra Stanley on the "cordiality" horseshit:

Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton began their historic showdown by exchanging rapt stares and caring smiles, like local news co-anchors who despise each other but rally to look convivial during sweeps week.... Both managed to hold back any spurts of anger or irritation. It might have been expected that a debate between a man and a woman would at times echo the quarrels between a married couple. It didn’t. The Republicans did the night before. In Wednesday’s debate at the Reagan library, Senator John McCain and Mitt Romney grew as tense and testy as a couple fighting (yes you did, oh no I didn’t) in front of a marriage counselor.

The Democrats managed to put on a far more polished and appealing performance that did not really fool anybody.

on NPR during the drive into work this morning, Robin Young was giving a preview of the RIVETING AND IMPORTANT analysis forthcoming on her show -- BARACK OBAMA HELPS HILLARY OUT OF HER SEAT -- WAS HE OBSEQUIOUSLY DRIVING MISS DAISY LIKE A HOUSE NEGRO?? OR WAS HE BEING A CHAUVINIST CONDESCENDING TO HER FEMALENESS??

for fuck's sake, they can't help themselves, can they?

anyway, it's nice most of you now think there will be candy canes, stardust and ponies whether Obama or Rodham waltzes to victory.

We may find out in 9 months whether you wanna tag Edwards the "useless" candidate (ie, the only one who pushed O and Her leftward).

hey there's spielberg, where's morbs?

I was in a hot tub with James McAvoy, gr80.

Krauthammer OTM.

-- Dr Morbius, Friday, 1 February 2008 15:11 (24 minutes ago) Link

Krauthammer is an idiot. That column is the sound of conservative desperation. He knows they're fucked this year, so he consoles himself with meaningless shit like comparing Bill Clinton to Reagan (unfavorably, of course) and parroting bullshit GOP talking points (like a Hillary win would mean a "co-presidency")

Clinton was a worse (ie, more accomplished) Reagan than Reagan, loverman.

it's nice most of you now think there will be candy canes, stardust and ponies whether Obama or Rodham waltzes to victory.

name names. who thinks this? how bout some quotes?

Clinton was a worse (ie, more accomplished) Reagan than Reagan, loverman

ridiculous

yah i think there will only be ponies and rainbows if obama wins

... but you just agreed with krauthammer that all clinton 'accomplished' was putting the finished touches on reagan's sweeping changes?

on NPR during the drive into work this morning, Robin Young was giving a preview of the RIVETING AND IMPORTANT analysis forthcoming on her show -- BARACK OBAMA HELPS HILLARY OUT OF HER SEAT -- WAS HE OBSEQUIOUSLY DRIVING MISS DAISY LIKE A HOUSE NEGRO?? OR WAS HE BEING A CHAUVINIST CONDESCENDING TO HER FEMALENESS??

for fuck's sake, they can't help themselves, can they?

-- elmo argonaut, Friday, February 1, 2008 9:16 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I really hate people sometimes.

o.nate & gff, who abolished AFDC, again?

No, I think Clinton was even more of a Reagan than Krauthead does. (except I guess Billy Blythe didn't really "believe" in what he was doing; whatta guy)

vote morbs for ponies and rainbows and men-only debates

dudes you cant be more reagan than reagan - think abt it jeez

under the morbius administration, rainbow clad children riding ponies will be charged with meting out judiciously applied violence

Krauthammer as Sec'y of HHS

I read that as rainbow-clad children-riding-ponies

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
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VOTE DEMOCRATIC!
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The Clinton years were basically an adjustment period in the middle of a long stretch of Republican government, but least he wasn't a supply-sider. I mean, at least the economic policies of the Clinton administration were rational, even if they were Republican ones.

But, c'mon:
NAFTA
WTO
Deregulation
Welfare cutbacks
Accelerated divide between rich and poor

At least he wasn't a supply-sider.

Clinton was a worse (ie, more accomplished) Reagan than Reagan, loverman

ridiculous

-- o. nate, Friday,

dudest, the Telecommunications Act of 1995, the punitive hit on welfare welfare reform, the crime bill – the stuff of which Reaganism is made.

Might have been mentioned already but if not:

CNN announced Thursday that it will partner with the Ohio Democratic Party and the Ohio Republican Party for back-to-back presidential debates at the end of February.

With the race for each party nomination likely to extend beyond the February 5 Super Tuesday contests, it’s increasingly possible the critical battleground state of Ohio – which holds its presidential primary March 4, along with three other states — could very well determine the 2008 Democratic and Republican nominees.

...

The Democratic debate will take place Wednesday, February 27, while the Republican debate will follow on Thursday, February 28. The network said further details will be released soon.

Clinton was a more accomplished more Reagan than Herbert Walker, that's for sure.

yes, and a worse prez for it. (GHWB: toughest prez on Israel in my lifetime)

oh shit, re: ohio. i'm glad i've already begun the process of requesting an absentee ballot.

Maybe we should divert conversations about Israel away from the primaries thread. That could go sideways.

Alessandra Stanley should stick to reviewing the OC.

i expect ponies and rainbows if obama wins and stardust and marshmallows if hillary wins

Somerby is right that the American political press corps is reminiscent of nothing so much as the court at Versailles

but who can effectively court the crucial leprechaun vote?

somerby must be good at stating the blatantly obvious, then

btw, thanks, gff. that will forever be stamped in my head as the fighting dems logo.

we'll keep supplying the Versailles court with cake if we keep discussing idiocies like the HRC snub at the SOTU and Obama holding HRC's chair last night.

"Marge, you're my wife and I love you very much but you're living in a world of make believe with fairies and leprechauns and dancing frogs wearing fancy little hats"

if there was a Chris Matthews at Versailles, I wanna hear about it (actually, NO)

Unless one of these candidates can cure my alopecia and give me a 12" dong I'm going to vote Nader

dongs in every bunghole

or bungs in every – well, never mind.