"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

pretty disappointed - had high hopes for this ep but every important scene (alex abduction, widmore exile, smokemonster appearance) was just really anticlimactic and shit. script felt pretty dumb too.

alex never looked hotter tho

Smokey is a neat freak. That is why someone has to flush his toilet before he can come out and interact w/Islanders. I don't have a screencap but there is an can of air freshener adjacent to the watery handle.

xxpost yeah i wish the show would be a little less.. neat and tidy in every episode. like "this episode is about ben and alex" and then rushes through the major plot points of that, which we've either seen or sort of know already anyway. i know that a lot of it is probably for the benefit of people who maybe aren't that geeky about the show but it still feels like lazy writing.

i enjoyed this episode though but then i really, really like the ben vs locke dynamic - those guys bring their A game every time, shit script or not. and glad that neither Penny or Desmond is dead.

btw ben doesn't remember the 815-ers in the Dharma Initiative but he remembered his dad. so i guess smokey can erase memories too?

Smokey is pretty much the "a wizard did it" for Lost, indecipherable powers to do everything, I mean it even invaded Boone's dream sequence during season 1 during his peyote trip, despite him never having actually seen it. Frankly it's pretty lame in this case, like painting over huge cracks in the continuity wall.

The wigs/makeup thing is surprising - I think this show has generally done very well with making people look ten years younger, it was kind of half-assed here, but then again I wonder how they could have really drop Ben and Widmore by 20 years without recasting. (At least they DID bother to recast for Charles for '77)

Yeah, I'm super happy he didn't ice Penny, that fight scene was almost too short but really really intense. And how about that shocking Caesar blast-out? I wonder if that's it for him.

alex never looked hotter tho

yessir

lol i forgot about locke and his home-made LSD. we need more of that.

yeah i guess smokey can erase memories and upload new ones (like how Locke suddenly knows things) and you can apparently only talk to him if you flush his toilet.

haha i think the only time they've ever been convincing with aging people backwards or forwards was goth claire - LOST is all about the bad wigs and hairpieces. '77 charles was massive lols too, he looked like he should be on the cover of a harlequin romance.

Des col' knocked the bejeezus out of Ben.

I was smitten by his pure animal rage.

but he did kind of look like old charles, the same way very young charles looked like him (it was all the eyes), and ellie was a good young/old combination. but I don't think 77 charles was old enough.

'90s Jack I thought (with the weird Billy Ray Cyrus cut) as well as '90s Locke I thought were generally pretty good, seriously! All the Sun and Jin flashbacks too, and Desmond. Most of the rest I don't think they went back more than a few years. I mean, granted, a lot of it was acting. '58 Charles was definitely better casting than '77, and I agree about Ellie.

this ep was obviously better than last week's but i feel like they are wasting a lot of time. like explaining the island reveals how ridiculous the whole thing is and they're not even attempting to try to make it not ridiculous.

my favorite parts were ben's, "i assume you're referring the to the fact that i killed you?" and locke being a sarcastic badass.

ok next episode's title is lolz - "Some Like It Hoth". 1977, Dharma-ites watch Star Wars for the first time.

http://i44.tinypic.com/29bbtc4.jpg

i had indie thoughts when ben was approaching the wall from which smokey came.

xxpost: (pauses, takes comic book-guy stance) well, actually, they would have to spin the donkey wheel to 1980 in order to watch The Empire Strikes Back, in which the ice-planet Hoth was first introduced.

ha i'm just waiting to see how awkwardly they'll insert the title into the dialogue ala charlotte's "This place. IS DEATH!" or this week's "blah blah....Dead is dead!"

would've gone with Temple of Doom for that poster.

also wtf @ rumor of matthew perry on season finale?!

hahaha wahhht. no.

unless he's playing a horse.

Holy shit. Charlie is Desmond and Penny's son

Reminds me, we saw someone (Charles?) riding a horse again yesterday. I still somehow think Kate's 'horse' she saw wasn't just a hallucination.

wtf at Matthew Perry? 'Chandler' as the four toed statue?

The horse died in the purge and was brought back by Smokey. I'm going with that one!

Ugh, worst Ben episode yet. I agree that it feels that they're wasting time showing us stuff that should be really obvious by now (ie baby stealing) and yet it had the problem that a lot of this season has had of trying to cram in too many pivotal scenes in one 45min episode. Ben vs Penny and Desmond is a case in point - the season is throwing plot at us left right and centre but is totally lacking in tension. Which when you've got a big haunted jungle and dudes trying to kill each other with guns is kind of a big thing.

Also it was quite poorly scripted and I wanted more from Ben vs Smokey than some lame forgive-your-trespasses shit. I don't want contrition and sincerity from Ben Linus. Alex v Ben was good though.

It is quite amusing watching Ben be pissy and indignant around Locke, like Locke has stolen his girlfriend or something.

the shot of Ben underwater bleeding away was awesome tho. but did Desmond just toss him in expecting him to drown? c'mon

(flashes of Butthead: "these special effects aren't very special")

I still always say that whenever I see bad special effects.

Holy shit. Charlie is Desmond and Penny's son

no, they named their son after charlie. desmond and penny are still in the 'present' (2007 or whatever)

the shot of Ben underwater bleeding away was awesome tho

OTM, I thought the same thing.

And while I really would like to believe that Locke truly has the upper hand and Ben really is lost and afraid, I'm still somewhat skeptical of the whole thing.

Yes but what about the time travel? It'd make an interesting plot twist, no?

noooo

noooo seconded

But we already know all about Charlie's childhood, with jackass butcher father & piano-buying mom.

but guys, wouldn't that just be fucked up?

All you zombies... no.

We've already seen a young Charlie Pace (age 8 per Lostpedia) on Christmas morning:
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/6/61/JeremyShada.jpg

Show would have to explain how the Pace family adopted him from Desmond and Penny in the early 80s.

plz stop

Smokey Alex pinning Ben to the wall and telling him to stop being a douche was pretty great

this season is more The Anubis Gates than The Stand

yeah, wtf @ Egyptian hieroglyphs? If Lost turns out to have anything to do with extraterrestrials, I will be angered beyond reason and prompted to wanton violence. Srsly, I would have a Twin Peaks-style total wtf series of unanswerable cliffhangers than some Stargate bullshit.

*would rather

pretty sure it was the egyptians who wrote in hieroglyphs, not aliens

I'm referring to the long-established relationship b/w aliens & egyptians, as extensively documented by science-fiction.

Are aliens really so much more unpalatable than say Jesus? (Mr. Eko & Charlie's Catholic ghostings, Locke's Christ-makeover)

was much more disappointed that Desmond didn't action-hero growl "see you in another lifetime, brother" at Ben before he threw him in the water.

"i haven't beaten anyone up this badly since Celtic won THE CUP"

xpost: I just feel that "it came from outer space" would be an unforgivable cop-out at this point.

Not that I'm actually afraid they'll do that, but given Lost's sci-fi leanings, the hieroglyphs did give me pause.

Somewhere in the Temple is a donkey wheel that activates the Stargate.

I get that a Lost/Stargate crossover would be barftastic, but there aren't a whole lot of options on the table. It's either aliens or jesus or jesus-aliens or coma-fantasy. What else could they reasonably do?

Wasn't Twin Peaks resolved as demonic anyway (and therefore in the jesus-realm)?

there were UFOs in twin peaks

xpost: Well, the Agent Cooper/Black Lodge thing could be construed as demonic, but Lynch unraveled all the more soap-operatic elements of the show to absurd lengths and then just left them hanging. There has bee some debate as to whether he did that with the intention of picking the show back up in some other context, or if it was a big "fuck you" to the network for forcing him to resolve the murder mystery and then moving the show to Saturday nights.

As for Lost, I'd be happy if they just stuck with the quantum mechanics/wormholes/electro-magnetism/time-travel, basic dualism, fatalism vs. free will etc. I mean, sure, these themes are time-worn to the point of cliche as well, but the show has done a great job with them thusfar IMO, and any further, significant cosmic extrapolation would be unnecessary, especially if it had to do with alien-egyptology, but maybe that is just a matter of personal taste.