What are you going to do if McCain wins?

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And why go now when I didn't before? Easy. In 2000 I was 14 years old. In 2004 I had four years of school to finish, horrified as I was at the prospect of doing it in an America from which I was so obviously alienated. "Worst case scenario," I told myself, "this'll all be over in four years."

Now, with the economy on the brink and a septugenarian carpet bomber who might be replaced by an embarrassing militant fundamentalist country bumpkin, "worst case scenario" is a whole lot scarier.

12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 15:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Suggest Ban

TOMBOT, Sunday, 28 September 2008 15:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Like, that is what I will do

TOMBOT, Sunday, 28 September 2008 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm really tempted to go through this thread and suggest ban anyone who claimed they will leave the u.s. if mccain wins

metametadata (n/a), Sunday, 28 September 2008 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

i'd have to just hope for the best. the good thing about the US is that it's so big that generally speaking, big political changes take a long time to filter through the country. states still have a lot of rights and I live in California. it seems to me that other countries radically change their governments pretty quickly (particularly in europe, but even canada), the entire country can be prone to waves of nationalistic fervor that puts ultra right wing people in place; obviously that kind of happens here but our government, in theory, has enough branches that things just get mired down for ages. If the entire economy collapses, then I think that will have global implications, so I can't, right now, think of somewhere BETTER to live. McCain could well prove me wrong; eight years WAS a long time and they DID radically change a lot of things in the US.

akm, Sunday, 28 September 2008 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I am coming to the U.S. whoever wins. It is still a shining beacon on the hill and also my job will be there and the commute would be too long.

caek, Sunday, 28 September 2008 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link

2000 I was 14 years old. In 2004 I had four years of school to finish, horrified as I was at the prospect of doing it in an America from which I was so obviously alienated.

It's called being eighteen years old.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 28 September 2008 15:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll buy that.

12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link

uh douchebags, mccain and republicans suck and all but WTF with this "all republicans are racists" and equating bush winning elections with the majority of americans being racist bullshit?

also lol at anyone claiming they're going to move overseas if mccain wins

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cankles, Sunday, 28 September 2008 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link

And I will own up to the fact that it's highly unlikely, McCain victory or no, that I'm moving to Canada.

12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Shocking, right?

12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Give me a few days to feel hopeless, then I'm back in it.

12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 16:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb Iran = we start bombing Russia in 5 minutes, for those with short memories.

Tetragram for Holding Back (libcrypt), Sunday, 28 September 2008 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link

I will be as drunk as a skunk on election night, hoping that the night turns into a party instead of the most depressing day of 2008.

Z S, Sunday, 28 September 2008 16:35 (fifteen years ago) link

thanks for bailing guys - glad to see you won't be here to vote for the good guys in 2012!

Cletus Tiffins (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 28 September 2008 16:37 (fifteen years ago) link

I will move to the West Side

gabbneb, Sunday, 28 September 2008 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link

thanks for bailing guys - glad to see you won't be here to vote for the good guys in 2012!

this is fucking idiocy and you know it. i'm not moving to ohio or some other shit fest where my vote would, you know, matter in our current electoral college system, so why bother? if the country is so soundly fucked that a majority of ppl would rather see a crazy old white senile be in office than an "arab" black man, then hell, let them have it! also i don't buy into the "good guys" argument -- you have no fucking idea who is going to be running in 2012, and i'm not dumb enough to buy into the democrat = good republican = evil bullshit that's been pressed into the minds of under-30 liberals for the past 20 years.

but thanks for the guilt trip! your vote totally matters! yeah!

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:05 (fifteen years ago) link

i mean sorry to be a bitch but grow up.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I wasn't 100% serious ally

Cletus Tiffins (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link

sarcasm doesn't work over the internet

Cletus Tiffins (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Only 97%.

Tetragram for Holding Back (libcrypt), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Add 3 or 4 smilies next time crutis.

Tetragram for Holding Back (libcrypt), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/leave.asp

Mr. Que, Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link

I just want to make clear that I don't "buy into the democrat = good republican = evil bullshit that's been pressed into the minds of under-30 liberals for the past 20 years."

Cletus Tiffins (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm just too young & inexperienced to lead this country ;_;

Cletus Tiffins (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm not someone who would've even considered moving to canada (like at all in general, no offense canada, but specifically in the context of the previous elections) but i know a lot about mccain and now you all do too--if he wins over barack obama then this country is fucked. not because of what MCCAIN will do but because of what it says about this country, it proves everyone right. i've never been much of a patriot, being a communist from new york and all that, and i've always wanted to move to the carribbean so here is my perfect chance.

xpost yeah curtis sorry i'm not being 100% serious towards you either (when i say "grow up" in a post i'm usually not being totally serious) but there's a couple other ppl on this thread with same sentiment but probably serious so i'm just going to lay it out there. fuck 'em! y'all in dc or illinois or the northeast, if you seriously think that leaving is a bad idea, go move to a swing state! do it do it do it make your vote count!

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:11 (fifteen years ago) link

when i say "grow up" in a post i'm usually not being totally serious

Tetragram for Holding Back (libcrypt), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:12 (fifteen years ago) link

i live in berkeley, I'm just gonna stay here

akm, Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:14 (fifteen years ago) link

if mccain wins, they'll probably try to secede from the Union or some shit

akm, Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:14 (fifteen years ago) link

can I get a berkeley green card

Cletus Tiffins (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:15 (fifteen years ago) link

toronto.craigslist.org/w4m

Eazy, Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link

http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/drh/w4m/858385836.html

^^ if this doesn't get you "north of the border" I don't know what will

Cletus Tiffins (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link

why would you do that to me crutis i thought we was fam

12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:21 (fifteen years ago) link

i've been looking for a reason to move back to italy so i'm about 30-40% certain i will if mccain wins, which he wont

and what, Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link

uh douchebags, mccain and republicans suck and all but WTF with this "all republicans are racists" and equating bush winning elections with the majority of americans being racist bullshit?

also lol at anyone claiming they're going to move overseas if mccain wins

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velko, Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link

in the unlikely event.. though there is still time for things to change again before november..

try to stop a bunch of people from jumping out windows, try to stop a good friend & her husband from leaving the country (she is from eastern europe, doesn't have her citizenship yet - she was pretty adamant and I believe would actually do it)

i certainly do not believe all republicans are racist.

regular guy, scranton, pennsylvania (daria-g), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link

i may qualify for british citizenship (mom still being a British citizen and all), but i wouldn't move to the UK if mccain wins b/c any bad shit that happens to the U.S. b/c of McCain will most likely also happen to the U.K. given the tendency of British prime ministers to act as lapdogs to whomever is in the White House. also, i am much more concerned about an economic armageddon (which, you know, is kinda happening NOW what with Lehman Bros and WaMu and shit) than a military/nuclear one and the british economy is just as fucked as the american economy (e.g., the london real estate market is even MORE crazy unaffordable fucked-up than anything over here).

Eisbaer, Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link

shrug

Brosef Stalin (latebloomer), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:41 (fifteen years ago) link

*plop*

velko, Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiz!

(sorry, had to)

Z S, Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:43 (fifteen years ago) link

as for the "moving to a swing state" argument -- i've been working O/T to convince all relatives still living in PA to vote Obama. esp. my younger sister who 4 years ago swore up-and-down that she was voting for Kerry and then turned around and voted for Dubya.

Eisbaer, Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:44 (fifteen years ago) link

i suppose in a year or so, i could ask another good friend to try and hook me up with a job in brussels..

dc economy probably not going as much into the shitbin as other metro areas, but .. i am plenty worried regardless of who gets elected

regular guy, scranton, pennsylvania (daria-g), Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link

if he wins over barack obama then this country is fucked. not because of what MCCAIN will do but because of what it says about this country

i agree wholeheartedly with this, not because of "lol racists" but because if american voters are willing to digest and ignore flat-out lies at a rate with which we've never seen before, then we've set a precedent of never ever being told anything close to the truth from this administration and in elections following it

you have been yellow carded by an actual referee (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:02 (fifteen years ago) link

this administration= a potential mccain administration

i would consider moving to toronto or vancouver, at least before mccain institutes a draft

you have been yellow carded by an actual referee (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Our people's ability to digest and ignore flat-out lies is the bedrock upon which this great nation was built.

Kerm, Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:17 (fifteen years ago) link

well, plenty of people believed the horsesh!t the swift vets put out last time around. my personal view is that there is so much out there, cable news, talk radio, internet, total information overload, people tend to filter it according to gut instincts because they don't trust any source to present objective facts. news organizations simply report on what was said by a campaign without doing any fact checking, give free airtime to campaign ads by featuring them as news.. it becomes real easy to only hear what you want to hear. this goes for both sides imho.

regular guy, scranton, pennsylvania (daria-g), Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link

OTM^^

Mr. Que, Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link

McCain is a) not going to win, and b) possibly worse than Bush, but would have to work with a Dem Congress. I think leaving the US is just as dumb negative-identity-branding as being too cool to vote for a Dem.

i'm not dumb enough to buy into the democrat = good republican = evil bullshit that's been pressed into the minds of under-30 liberals for the past 20 years.

lol

gabbneb, Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link

xp - people tend to filter it according to gut instincts what everyone else around them is doing

gabbneb, Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link

i agree wholeheartedly with this, not because of "lol racists" but because if american voters are willing to digest and ignore flat-out lies at a rate with which we've never seen before

=

In 2004 I had four years of school to finish, horrified as I was at the prospect of doing it in an America from which I was so obviously alienated.

12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link


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