2008 Primaries Thread

Hey, Josh Marshall on MSNBC!

Is Satan running?

He just withdrew after fading in Florida.

Ann Coulter's supposed to make everybody go all "An alligator with sunglasses? Now I've seen everything!"

BTW, commentators on CNN and MSNBC are all over HRC for her Iraq answers. It's a big problem for her, and will be a huge problem in a GE.

wtf Stevie Wonder?

The man thought it was time for a standing ovation. The man was mistaken.

is california a winner-take-all primary?

I'll take MSNBC's blogger panel every day of the week over CNN's smug, old-media panelists.

LOL CNN California maps..

two states! We want two states!

Again.. I'm still (not being snide, I really am) not clear on how this is a problem in the general election. GOP wants to stay in Iraq. Democrats want to get out. What can be more clear? Plus, the economy is the big issue anyway.

I think the criteria should be whether McCain is more likely to make a racist gaffe or a sexist gaffe.

Yes.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/democrats-say-mccain-nearly-abandoned-gop-2007-03-28.html

While campaigning for president, Limekiller emphasizes his campaign committee's diversity by referring to them as "a black, a woman, two dips, and a cripple." To everyone's dismay, the "radical right" calls to offer their moral support.

[I can't find the strip]

re: the hill article --> file away for general election

Won't matter. McCain will say, "Yeah, I returned a call, but I never seriously considered it, and only would if they agreed to make their party more conservative to suit me." No points.

lol santorum is on oreilly talking shit on mccain

Yeah, but he just said he'd vote for McCain.

since everybody agrees democrats are a lot more popular than republicans right now they should cool it with the 'hey mccain is almost a democrat!' talk

Wow I feel like we're in different universes here :).. I'm not saying tell everybody McCain considered being a Democrat, I'm just saying pass out flyers in rightwing evangelical churches about it.

Industriously circulating that story could cut a little into the GOP base, I suppose -- maybe. But, by and large, the GOP base will hold their nose and come out to vote for McCain in the GE, especially if his opponant is HRC.

is california a winner-take-all primary?

no I'm pretty sure it's district by district

CA divides up the delegates by district and by state-wide proportionality and then a couple more are drawn from the state leadership and then they kill a chicken and read the entrails for the remainder.

Just another day in OC

re: the hill article --> file away for general election

-- daria-g, Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

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Wow I feel like we're in different universes here :).. I'm not saying tell everybody McCain considered being a Democrat, I'm just saying pass out flyers in rightwing evangelical churches about it.

-- daria-g, Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:18 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

By the time we get to the general election, painting the Republican as a right-wing ideologue will be more effective than painting him as a party-straddling moderate.

The large swath of independents and moderates from both parties will have more of an impact on the General Election than the Republican base.

From 2004:
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just watched this, not much to add besides echoing the feeling expressed by ethan etc. re: feeling proud to be a democrat. both policy and cordiality were refreshing

Again, I will say that I will campaign for anyone with a (D) by their name come time, but I am rootin' for Obama.

FB, you're trying to post an .SVG as an image, i don't think it will work

fox and friends billing the debate as a "makeout session"

the relative unity, clarity and purpose of that debate no doubt enraged right wingers nationwide

seriously, if you don't listen to right wing talk radio, you really owe it to yourself to tune tomorrow, monday and tuesday. the way they're going off on mccain is amaking for some classic radio.

i assume a lather of some type is being worked into?

"timetables" in iraq is going to be a huge topic in the g.e. -- the democrat will be painted as a milquetoast micromanager who ignores generals on the ground

yeah.

apparently, a few commenters on the news channels have stated that mccain's recent victories show that conservative talk radio is no longer a force to be reckoned with, which is adding fuel to the fire.

xp

Not sure where to post this, but the otherwise useless Charles Krauthammer acknowledges the Reagan-Bil Clinton geneaology:

What is the legacy of the Clinton presidency? Consolidator of the Reagan revolution. As Dwight Eisenhower made permanent FDR's New Deal and Tony Blair institutionalized Thatcherism, Clinton consolidated Reaganism. He did so most symbolically with his 1996 State of the Union declaration that "the era of big government is over." And more concretely, with a presidency that only tinkered with such structural Reaganite changes as tax cuts and deregulation, and whose major domestic achievement was the abolition of welfare, Reagan's ultimate social bete noire.

And Sullivan gives Obama the crown.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/10108/thumbs/s-OBAMA-CHAIR-HILLARY-large.jpg

aw

will this Mccain 'i hate gooks' thing go anywhere? maybe not during the primaries, but I can see that coming back up to bite his ass during the general election. Obv. extenuating circumstances with him, and no-one probably believes he is an outright racist, and yes the electorate obviously forgives a lot of things in their presidents, but...

jeez, Krauthammer OTM.

and, surprisingly, so is NYT TV critic Alessandra Stanley on the "cordiality" horseshit:

Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton began their historic showdown by exchanging rapt stares and caring smiles, like local news co-anchors who despise each other but rally to look convivial during sweeps week.... Both managed to hold back any spurts of anger or irritation. It might have been expected that a debate between a man and a woman would at times echo the quarrels between a married couple. It didn’t. The Republicans did the night before. In Wednesday’s debate at the Reagan library, Senator John McCain and Mitt Romney grew as tense and testy as a couple fighting (yes you did, oh no I didn’t) in front of a marriage counselor.

The Democrats managed to put on a far more polished and appealing performance that did not really fool anybody.

on NPR during the drive into work this morning, Robin Young was giving a preview of the RIVETING AND IMPORTANT analysis forthcoming on her show -- BARACK OBAMA HELPS HILLARY OUT OF HER SEAT -- WAS HE OBSEQUIOUSLY DRIVING MISS DAISY LIKE A HOUSE NEGRO?? OR WAS HE BEING A CHAUVINIST CONDESCENDING TO HER FEMALENESS??

for fuck's sake, they can't help themselves, can they?

anyway, it's nice most of you now think there will be candy canes, stardust and ponies whether Obama or Rodham waltzes to victory.

We may find out in 9 months whether you wanna tag Edwards the "useless" candidate (ie, the only one who pushed O and Her leftward).

hey there's spielberg, where's morbs?

I was in a hot tub with James McAvoy, gr80.

Krauthammer OTM.

-- Dr Morbius, Friday, 1 February 2008 15:11 (24 minutes ago) Link

Krauthammer is an idiot. That column is the sound of conservative desperation. He knows they're fucked this year, so he consoles himself with meaningless shit like comparing Bill Clinton to Reagan (unfavorably, of course) and parroting bullshit GOP talking points (like a Hillary win would mean a "co-presidency")

Clinton was a worse (ie, more accomplished) Reagan than Reagan, loverman.

it's nice most of you now think there will be candy canes, stardust and ponies whether Obama or Rodham waltzes to victory.

name names. who thinks this? how bout some quotes?

Clinton was a worse (ie, more accomplished) Reagan than Reagan, loverman

ridiculous

yah i think there will only be ponies and rainbows if obama wins

... but you just agreed with krauthammer that all clinton 'accomplished' was putting the finished touches on reagan's sweeping changes?

on NPR during the drive into work this morning, Robin Young was giving a preview of the RIVETING AND IMPORTANT analysis forthcoming on her show -- BARACK OBAMA HELPS HILLARY OUT OF HER SEAT -- WAS HE OBSEQUIOUSLY DRIVING MISS DAISY LIKE A HOUSE NEGRO?? OR WAS HE BEING A CHAUVINIST CONDESCENDING TO HER FEMALENESS??

for fuck's sake, they can't help themselves, can they?

-- elmo argonaut, Friday, February 1, 2008 9:16 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I really hate people sometimes.