What are you going to do if McCain wins?

be moving that is

doesn't the mayan caledar end in 2012 anyway?

yeah, but will it be a weather disaster.. I forget... what kind of disaster did the mayan's predict?

the only reason anyone in this horrible country is still considering mccain/palin is because omg scary black man

Wow, the US is so incredibly backward in so many respects. I feel sorry for you all, having to deal with shit like that.

fwiw if Howard got back in here last year I would have left the country.

Wow, the US is so incredibly backward in so many respects. I feel sorry for you all, having to deal with shit like that.

I won't pretend to know the first thing about Australian society, but how many Aboriginal PMs you guys had so far?

let him have it, super cub.

Settle Super Cub, it's not an attack on you ffs.

If McCain wins, I at least won't spend 3 days in bed mostly crying, like I did when Bush won second term 2k4 election.

sorry Autumn. I got a little carried away.

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SC makes a good point though, Adam, we're in no positon to be all patronising abt people not liking obama for being black when blacks in our country are treated like complete shit.

That was a muddled sentence but you know.

Europe calls America racist ... then they burn down huge gypsy camps raping and murdering innocent people all under the apathy of their own governmentsw. . A ltitle reminiscent of what people came to America to escape from?

SC makes a good point though, Adam, we're in no positon to be all patronising abt people not liking obama for being black when blacks in our country are treated like complete shit.

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That's very true, but I get the sense the proportion of Australians against that kind of behaviour is far smaller than the vast chunk of Americans (i.e. states and states and states) who voted for Bush last time.

(not that Aus is void of hyperreligious screaming fuckwits, it just seems more muted here)

people voted for Bush for more than just he was some chum crum ijhh

I already know what I'm going to be doing for election night... making homemade mac & cheese and drinking a lot of champagne. This has become a tradition of sorts for election night.

If McCain loses: hooray mac & cheese and drinking! If McCain wins: hooray comfort food and early alcohol oblivion.

Ha! We do the same with homemade beef pot pies and scotch.

I'm just glad that this year I'll have a full supply of meds, so that I don't lapse into full blown depression the day after like last time.

If McCain wins, I'm just gonna hope that he stays alive for the next 4/8 years.

This McCain bloke is so not going to win.

At least Bush only invaded small countries without nuclear weapons. Ever since McCain took his position on Georgia I've been scared to death of a McCain presidency.

You know what's unfair? That NYC is the prime target for terrorism/nuclear weapons. If McCain wins and picks a fit with Russia, we're gonna be the ones bombed, even though we voted against him. How come no one ever fucking attacks fucking Tennessee?

i will be scared if mccain wins. worried.

in a nuclear war, everywhere gets attacked, or at least eventually dies of radiation sickness/nuclear winter. the upside to this, as that one cop in watchmen put it, is that "no motherfucker is crazy enough" to start it.

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if mccain gets in, (thanks racists) i'll be very depreessed indeed, and i'm a britisher.

although the fact that we're even discussing the possibility of a nuke war with russia in 2008 is super-fucking depressing and frustrating.

True!

I'm told I qualify for dual citizenship at this point, but I reserve the right to return to this question on Friday morning. Palin might be all the vaccination we need against this happening; most of her admirers are just doing this admiring to needle the liberals they know. I have a feeling there are a lot of "working people" who will not admit to an Obama vote before they go to their polling station, but who will vote for him, purely because they have loud jerk 'nObama'-type friends.

invading russia and/or iran is a bad idea for about 10,000 other reasons that dont have to do with nuclear weapons, which are pretty unlikely to be used

I've heard that the USA doesn't like dual citizenship and is liable to revoke the citizenship of people who do it - does this happen?

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I know a ton of people (20 or more) with dual citizenship between US and Israel, and I've never heard of it being revoked.

heh I looked it up and it seems my information was almost 20 years out of date and the law was changed in 1990. n/m

lol wow, this thread

That's very true, but I get the sense the proportion of Australians against that kind of behaviour is far smaller than the vast chunk of Americans (i.e. states and states and states) who voted for Bush last time.

Bush was only president for eight years. Didn't you all first elect John Howard in the early 50s?

And though race may be a factor, I think Obama's got more against him from the usual mouth-breathing base of idiots as well.

He's a liberal, he's pro-choice, he's inexperienced, he doesn't want to fight 9/11 in Iraq...

I'm moving to Prague around the New Year and don't really know if I'll ever want to move back, but if McCain wins iI'll definitely have to stay away for a while.

If McCain wins, the only thing I can do is hope that he catches Bin Laden and kills all of Al Qaeda and terrorists so that war wont have to be an issue at the next presidential debate. Oh wait that's impossible.

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Unless they unleash that super-secret futuristic weapon I keep hearing about. Does anyone know any conspiracies about this? I heard some ex-military personnel talk about it on the radio last week. My dad thinks it's terrorist-seeking robot technology. Like, for real.

I went out to where my folks live today, in the metro Atlanta area, hours before a huge UGA/Alabama football game, and ALL the rednecks were out flying their Budweiser-machismo flags. I realized if George W. Bush was running again there is probably a good chance he would win. America IS that stupid.

Unless they unleash that super-secret futuristic weapon I keep hearing about. Does anyone know any conspiracies about this? I heard some ex-military personnel talk about it on the radio last week.

yeah, i've heard a couple of people talking about this. some sort of super-drone. probs bullshit, but they kept the stealth bomber under wraps long enough.

Look, you fleeing drama queens: If you lived thru 8 years of fucking BUSH policies, what's so bad about the concept of 4 more of similar policies? I mean, hell, you should have already left the US in 2000.

At least McCain won't have the same kinda rubber-stamp congress Bush did for 6 years.

Um, eight years, buddy.

the stakes seem to be getting higher. and for the record my departure is entirely personal has nothing to do with US politics.
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Also, as bad as Bush was, I was never worried that he'd start a war with another nuclear power.

If McCain wins, I'll do what I did after the last two elections: say "I told you so", completely joylessly.

bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran. What's not to like?

I'm sure this reveals my own naivete more than anything else, but a friend and I were seriously researching the requirements for emigration to Canada.

The problem with that, of course, is that we'd be sharing a land boundary with Alaska.

uh douchebags, mccain and republicans suck and all but WTF with this "all republicans are racists" and equating bush winning elections with the majority of americans being racist bullshit?

also lol at anyone claiming they're going to move overseas if mccain wins

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/leave.asp

that is some serious 2004 nonsense

In my mind, one of the best things about the Obama campaign is the participation of huge numbers of citizens across the country, who have been donating money, canvassing, hosting debate parties, calling independent voters, wearing pins, protesting palin, participating in caucuses & discussions, etc. I hope that whether or not Obama wins, that level of civic participation continues. If it does, I think whoever the president is will have to be more accountable to the country, in a way that could (in an ideal world, I guess) really transform how politics works here.

And that could happen--potentially--whether he wins or not. As long as everyone doesn't move to Sweden or whatever.

And why go now when I didn't before? Easy. In 2000 I was 14 years old. In 2004 I had four years of school to finish, horrified as I was at the prospect of doing it in an America from which I was so obviously alienated. "Worst case scenario," I told myself, "this'll all be over in four years."

Now, with the economy on the brink and a septugenarian carpet bomber who might be replaced by an embarrassing militant fundamentalist country bumpkin, "worst case scenario" is a whole lot scarier.

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Like, that is what I will do

Sarah Palin is kinda Judy Garland'esque?

I guess it's all just some ideology

daddy issues

Also in looking at electoral maps from the previous 100 years of elections, I really think one of the only things dividing our country is Roe v. Wade.

he's also gay and a big Sarah Palin fan

Maybe he can be her friend.

crazy war mongering or starting a Christian taliban state or something super extreme

i can see a or c happening...b maybe not so much.

recently found out an EXTREMELY talented, intelligent co-worker of mine is a far right wing conservative (he's also gay and a big Sarah Palin fan, which boggles my mind)

people are completely fucking insane. dunno what else to say.

i mean, isn't that something like being a beekeeper who goes into anaphylactic shock everyday?

The day after, back in 04, I organized a large and hilariously pointless anti-Bush demo on my campus. Then I threw everything I had into the poetry stuff I was doing, lost 15 pounds, and tanked my next two semesters.

Also started notes for a novel about "disillusioned activists fucking, drinking and dreaming of change in the wake of a second Bush victory" because lol college freshman

I think instead of moving to the Netherlands if McCain wins, I'll restart the old secession movement here. http://www.mvmagazine.com/2007/september-october/images/free_marthas_vineyard.gif

i know, i'm having fantasies involving transporting the conceit of that sci-fi novel about the pacific northwest seceding and trying to apply it to the seat of original guard freedom that was/is could be philly in present-day.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/report_60_million_people_youd

In the 2000 election I was 20 and barely paid any attention to the election and voted for Nader

:(

This mess we're in is YOUR fault!

In 2000 I was able to vote for Nader b/c I was living in one of those states where you could do that shit while being assured of the fact that in any event the dems had the territory locked. Since then, everything seems to have gone horribly wrong, both in the larger realm of the world as well as personally.

There is no moral to this story, except that, for whatever reasons, I am not freaked out about the November results. I'm very possibly horribly naive, but I think the game is up for the opposition?

SO NOT GOING TO WIN

It's a good thing I passed on that great opportunity to invest in the Iranian nuclear power program

There are freaks out there who think that if Obama wins the world is going to go to pot, and right now they, too, are planning their escape.

That's good, right?

not for you aussies :D

In 2000 I was able to vote for Nader b/c I was living in one of those states where you could do that shit while being assured of the fact that in any event the dems had the territory locked. Since then, everything

similar story except where I live there's never hope of the state going any way but GOP.

popular vote does matter in case it comes down 269-269 tho - not legally obv but it certainly would make things easier

This bailout crises + the very real possibility of 269-269 scares teh ever lovin' shit outta me.

I keep looking at 269-269 and thinking "oh please please please please please please please" and then I realize I have no idea if I am fervently wishing for some votes to transfer to Obama or if I really want to see the country in a full-on deadlock.

Well, yeah, oncoming locomotives never stopped me from placing pennies on the railroad tracks, but I'd like to think that I'm looking further ahead into the future these days than what will happen when those pieces of copper come flying back toward my face.

keep looking at 269-269 and thinking "oh please please please please please please please" and then I realize I have no idea if I am fervently wishing for some votes to transfer to Obama or if I really want to see the country in a full-on deadlock.

Let's ask this man for advice.

http://penkaushistory.com/493px-President_Rutherford_Hayes_1870_-_1880.jpg

I mean, the same House that just agreed to settle this bailout bill and then bailed out on the bailout bill they agreed to settle would be the ones getting to pick the next president.

Or Obama and McCain could put aside their differences and share the Oval Office before a live studio audience.

this fucking imbecile needs to retire

tell him. we already know it