Pretty much.
― kate78, Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:14 (fifteen years ago) link
anyway, it's not about "anything's better than bush" (which i'm not sure is true--i mean, at least the bush administration is now admitting iraq was maybe not the greatest idea, more than mccain is willing to admit), it's about the fact that there is one candidate so clearly better and the only reason anyone in this horrible country is still considering mccain/palin is because omg scary black man, and a mccain win would indicate something is so fundamentally fucked in america that it might not be worth trying to save this hole.
my answer to the question btw is castro's cuba! my sister and i just discussed it last night. renouncing seems fun!!
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:16 (fifteen years ago) link
I refuse to entertain the idea.
― Aimless, Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Achieving Alcoholism: How To
― clotpoll, Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Ally 1,000% OTM ... sadly ;_;
― Eisbaer, Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:35 (fifteen years ago) link
also, Dutch is not too difficult to pick up if english is your native language and you have a good understanding of German -- yes?!?
― Eisbaer, Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:38 (fifteen years ago) link
the only reason anyone in this horrible country is still considering mccain/palin is because omg scary black man
Hahaha. Um, no.
― Kerm, Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link
The Netherlands seems like my kind of place.
― Radiant Flowering Crab (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Srsly. I'll go down with the ship.
― Aimless, Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I'll wait it out for 4 years. McCain will be greeted with a Democratic Senate and Democratic Congress.
Now if McCain drops dead after he wins... well, let's not talk about that.
― Mackro Mackro, Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:48 (fifteen years ago) link
SECRET MUSLIM NUDE PALIN FOETUS HAIRPLUG TORTURE BLOWJOB SEXY PHOTOS MILF
― velko, Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:59 (fifteen years ago) link
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2253/2118657102_5d04e1a617_o.jpg
― Nicole, Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:59 (fifteen years ago) link
If McCain wins, the only thing I can do is hope that he catches Bin Laden and kills all of Al Qaeda and terrorists so that war wont have to be an issue at the next presidential debate. Oh wait that's impossible.
― CaptainLorax, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:00 (fifteen years ago) link
http://sr3085.k12.sd.us/Events/Herbert%20Hoover.jpg
― Eisbaer, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:03 (fifteen years ago) link
It doesn't exactly suggest America is all "omg scary black man" so much as they continue to remain in cultural bunker mode. If McCain (i.e. incumbent party) wins with America's ground conditions being what they are, it will so fly in the face of election physics that it will be far more dispiriting than a nation simply refusing to switch ponies in wartime, et al.
― Eric H., Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I'll probably being moving abroad in the next few years anyway, but McCain winning would certainly encourage that decision.
Basically it wouldn't change much for me, because I've already kind of lost faith in this country. I live 3,000 miles from the mainland, which is a necessary buffer.
I realize my attitude is stupidly cynical, but I just don't believe much in the process and think American society is fundamentally fucked up no matter who wins.
― Super Cub, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:06 (fifteen years ago) link
be moving that is
doesn't the mayan caledar end in 2012 anyway?
― velko, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:08 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, but will it be a weather disaster.. I forget... what kind of disaster did the mayan's predict?
― CaptainLorax, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow, the US is so incredibly backward in so many respects. I feel sorry for you all, having to deal with shit like that.
fwiw if Howard got back in here last year I would have left the country.
― You should be an artist, in in your shower. (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:15 (fifteen years ago) link
I won't pretend to know the first thing about Australian society, but how many Aboriginal PMs you guys had so far?
― Super Cub, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:21 (fifteen years ago) link
let him have it, super cub.
― burt_stanton, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Settle Super Cub, it's not an attack on you ffs.
― You should be an artist, in in your shower. (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:25 (fifteen years ago) link
If McCain wins, I at least won't spend 3 days in bed mostly crying, like I did when Bush won second term 2k4 election.
― Abbott, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:26 (fifteen years ago) link
sorry Autumn. I got a little carried away.
xpost
― Super Cub, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:29 (fifteen years ago) link
SC makes a good point though, Adam, we're in no positon to be all patronising abt people not liking obama for being black when blacks in our country are treated like complete shit.
― Trayce, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:51 (fifteen years ago) link
That was a muddled sentence but you know.
Europe calls America racist ... then they burn down huge gypsy camps raping and murdering innocent people all under the apathy of their own governmentsw. . A ltitle reminiscent of what people came to America to escape from?
― burt_stanton, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:56 (fifteen years ago) link
― Trayce, Sunday, 28 September 2008 14:51 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
That's very true, but I get the sense the proportion of Australians against that kind of behaviour is far smaller than the vast chunk of Americans (i.e. states and states and states) who voted for Bush last time.
― You should be an artist, in in your shower. (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:59 (fifteen years ago) link
(not that Aus is void of hyperreligious screaming fuckwits, it just seems more muted here)
― You should be an artist, in in your shower. (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 28 September 2008 05:00 (fifteen years ago) link
people voted for Bush for more than just he was some chum crum ijhh
― burt_stanton, Sunday, 28 September 2008 05:01 (fifteen years ago) link
I already know what I'm going to be doing for election night... making homemade mac & cheese and drinking a lot of champagne. This has become a tradition of sorts for election night.
If McCain loses: hooray mac & cheese and drinking! If McCain wins: hooray comfort food and early alcohol oblivion.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 28 September 2008 06:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha! We do the same with homemade beef pot pies and scotch.
― Jaq, Sunday, 28 September 2008 06:21 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm just glad that this year I'll have a full supply of meds, so that I don't lapse into full blown depression the day after like last time.
― Office Cat is Eating the Monitor Again (kingfish), Sunday, 28 September 2008 06:30 (fifteen years ago) link
If McCain wins, I'm just gonna hope that he stays alive for the next 4/8 years.
― Autobot Lover (jel --), Sunday, 28 September 2008 09:30 (fifteen years ago) link
This McCain bloke is so not going to win.
― You should be an artist, in in your shower. (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 28 September 2008 11:57 (fifteen years ago) link
At least Bush only invaded small countries without nuclear weapons. Ever since McCain took his position on Georgia I've been scared to death of a McCain presidency.
You know what's unfair? That NYC is the prime target for terrorism/nuclear weapons. If McCain wins and picks a fit with Russia, we're gonna be the ones bombed, even though we voted against him. How come no one ever fucking attacks fucking Tennessee?
― Mordy, Sunday, 28 September 2008 12:12 (fifteen years ago) link
i will be scared if mccain wins. worried.
― Surmounter, Sunday, 28 September 2008 12:47 (fifteen years ago) link
in a nuclear war, everywhere gets attacked, or at least eventually dies of radiation sickness/nuclear winter. the upside to this, as that one cop in watchmen put it, is that "no motherfucker is crazy enough" to start it.
if mccain gets in, (thanks racists) i'll be very depreessed indeed, and i'm a britisher.
― skinny jeans + tight plaid shirt (internet person), Sunday, 28 September 2008 12:50 (fifteen years ago) link
although the fact that we're even discussing the possibility of a nuke war with russia in 2008 is super-fucking depressing and frustrating.
― skinny jeans + tight plaid shirt (internet person), Sunday, 28 September 2008 12:54 (fifteen years ago) link
True!
I'm told I qualify for dual citizenship at this point, but I reserve the right to return to this question on Friday morning. Palin might be all the vaccination we need against this happening; most of her admirers are just doing this admiring to needle the liberals they know. I have a feeling there are a lot of "working people" who will not admit to an Obama vote before they go to their polling station, but who will vote for him, purely because they have loud jerk 'nObama'-type friends.
― jane hussein lane (suzy), Sunday, 28 September 2008 13:03 (fifteen years ago) link
invading russia and/or iran is a bad idea for about 10,000 other reasons that dont have to do with nuclear weapons, which are pretty unlikely to be used
― Barack HUSSEIN Obama (max), Sunday, 28 September 2008 13:14 (fifteen years ago) link
I've heard that the USA doesn't like dual citizenship and is liable to revoke the citizenship of people who do it - does this happen?
― I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 28 September 2008 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link
I know a ton of people (20 or more) with dual citizenship between US and Israel, and I've never heard of it being revoked.
― Mordy, Sunday, 28 September 2008 13:20 (fifteen years ago) link
heh I looked it up and it seems my information was almost 20 years out of date and the law was changed in 1990. n/m
― I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 28 September 2008 13:30 (fifteen years ago) link
lol wow, this thread
― cankles, Sunday, 28 September 2008 13:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Bush was only president for eight years. Didn't you all first elect John Howard in the early 50s?
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 28 September 2008 14:05 (fifteen years ago) link
And though race may be a factor, I think Obama's got more against him from the usual mouth-breathing base of idiots as well.
He's a liberal, he's pro-choice, he's inexperienced, he doesn't want to fight 9/11 in Iraq...
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 28 September 2008 14:06 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm moving to Prague around the New Year and don't really know if I'll ever want to move back, but if McCain wins iI'll definitely have to stay away for a while.
― Fetchboy, Sunday, 28 September 2008 14:39 (fifteen years ago) link
― CaptainLorax, Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:00 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Unless they unleash that super-secret futuristic weapon I keep hearing about. Does anyone know any conspiracies about this? I heard some ex-military personnel talk about it on the radio last week. My dad thinks it's terrorist-seeking robot technology. Like, for real.
I went out to where my folks live today, in the metro Atlanta area, hours before a huge UGA/Alabama football game, and ALL the rednecks were out flying their Budweiser-machismo flags. I realized if George W. Bush was running again there is probably a good chance he would win. America IS that stupid.
― Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 28 September 2008 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link
mccain is not going to win, I do not think this vote is going to be close enough for them to pull the shit they did in 2000
How bout the shit pulled in 2004?
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 29 September 2008 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link
xxpost
Have you been watching the polls?
All I know is liberals have been in shock both times Bush has won saying things like 'I'm going to leave the country,' 'there will be riots' etc. etc. and look what's happened.
I've lost faith in the American voter.
― Peanuts taste like peanut butter (Susan), Monday, 29 September 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
i watch the polls via 538 and it currently indicates a pretty wide margin. I personally think 538 is being conservative as well.
― akm, Monday, 29 September 2008 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes, god knows I've lost faith, but this is a pretty singular situation (insert A Chorus Line parodies here).
Shit is so fucked that even the most elaborately constructed edifices of people's potentially limitless capacity for self-delusion are falling apart.
― dell, Monday, 29 September 2008 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
OK, the gap has widened from the last time I looked.
Perhaps this is due to Palin's hilarious interview with Katie Couric. Oh, if it could only be so easy.
― Peanuts taste like peanut butter (Susan), Monday, 29 September 2008 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I'll do the same thing I did when Bush won re-election in '04. Get drunk on election night, spew some hateful bile the next day, disengage from politics for a month or so, then resolve to get more involved with local politics/elections.
Around the time I resolve to take a more positive stance is when my relentless mockery of friends who claimed they would move to Canada will begin.
― Proposition Josh (rockapads), Monday, 29 September 2008 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Dude, my friend who swore up and down he'd move to Canada if Bush won in 2004 didn't move to Canada, but did get depressed, gain a lot of weight, and drop out of school for a year. He was seriously that upset by it. No laughing matter.
― Maria, Monday, 29 September 2008 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I think if you're already voting on issues that clearly won't affect your economic situation, it's probably not because you're too uneducated and would just change your mind if you knew more about economics or sociology or whatever, it's probably because you have different priorities. Ones I strongly disagree with, but that still aren't the result of stupidity or ignorance.
I would replace " it's probably" with "it may" in this excerpt; at its heart, this is the part of diversity that everyone struggles with.
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Monday, 29 September 2008 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link
After 2004, I came home drunk and kicked over my Kerry/Edwards yard sign that was already falling apart due to the rain.
My birthday was the next day, and it was one of the most sullen birthdays I had had.
I'd drive through my neighborhood and see those Bush/Cheney signs, and wonder if somehow the only person who doesn't think he's crazy is usually the crazy one.
I bought a Playstation 2 soon thereafter and played Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas every night from ten until two for the next month when my fiancee arrived.
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 29 September 2008 19:01 (fifteen years ago) link
i was in fairbanks alaska working on tony knowles's failed campaign and i got tanked in the flophouse where i was staying, walked in on my roommate getting head, and passed out with my head resting on the toilet waiting to throw up
― Barack HUSSEIN Obama (max), Monday, 29 September 2008 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link
when i woke up at 4 am there was some dude shaving his head in the bathroom
I, personally, am voting for McCain because I am racist & hate azns
― original dixieland jaas band (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 29 September 2008 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link
figures
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Monday, 29 September 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Careful, crut... you know McCain lived in Asia for a while? Even longer than Obama.
― Kerm, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link
We may be dealing with an Indochinchurian Candidate situation here..
― Kerm, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not gonna lie, in the 2004 election I was seriously bummed and fucking depressed as hell, I went on like a crazy pizza binge, gained 20 pounds, and I think I was in my slump for a good 6 months.
And while I will be pretty bummed AGAIN if McCain wins, I don't think I am 100% convinced that having one guy over the other is going to drastically change my life (aside from crazy war mongering or starting a Christian taliban state or something super extreme). Maybe I just am rationalizing it so I don't get so bummed out this go around.
There are freaks out there who think that if Obama wins the world is going to go to pot, and right now they, too, are planning their escape. I used to think the other side was just retarded, but recently found out an EXTREMELY talented, intelligent co-worker of mine is a far right wing conservative (he's also gay and a big Sarah Palin fan, which boggles my mind). I can't even begin to try and understand why he believes what he believes; why he supports a candidate who wants to pray his gayness away. I guess it's all just some ideology; that the hardcore righties think anyone who tries hard and works hard enough will rise to the top, and those at the bottom just are human loser bottom feeders.
― homosexual II, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Sarah Palin is kinda Judy Garland'esque?
― Mordy, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link
I guess it's all just some ideology
daddy issues
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Also in looking at electoral maps from the previous 100 years of elections, I really think one of the only things dividing our country is Roe v. Wade.
― homosexual II, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link
he's also gay and a big Sarah Palin fan
Maybe he can be her friend.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link
crazy war mongering or starting a Christian taliban state or something super extreme
i can see a or c happening...b maybe not so much.
recently found out an EXTREMELY talented, intelligent co-worker of mine is a far right wing conservative (he's also gay and a big Sarah Palin fan, which boggles my mind)
people are completely fucking insane. dunno what else to say.
― dell, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:36 (fifteen years ago) link
i mean, isn't that something like being a beekeeper who goes into anaphylactic shock everyday?
― dell, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:38 (fifteen years ago) link
The day after, back in 04, I organized a large and hilariously pointless anti-Bush demo on my campus. Then I threw everything I had into the poetry stuff I was doing, lost 15 pounds, and tanked my next two semesters.
― BIG HOOS, leviathan of steendriving (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 29 September 2008 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Also started notes for a novel about "disillusioned activists fucking, drinking and dreaming of change in the wake of a second Bush victory" because lol college freshman
― BIG HOOS, leviathan of steendriving (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 29 September 2008 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I think instead of moving to the Netherlands if McCain wins, I'll restart the old secession movement here. http://www.mvmagazine.com/2007/september-october/images/free_marthas_vineyard.gif
― Maria :D, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link
i know, i'm having fantasies involving transporting the conceit of that sci-fi novel about the pacific northwest seceding and trying to apply it to the seat of original guard freedom that was/is could be philly in present-day.
― dell, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/report_60_million_people_youd
― caek, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link
In the 2000 election I was 20 and barely paid any attention to the election and voted for Nader
:(
― homosexual II, Monday, 29 September 2008 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link
This mess we're in is YOUR fault!
― Maria :D, Monday, 29 September 2008 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link
In 2000 I was able to vote for Nader b/c I was living in one of those states where you could do that shit while being assured of the fact that in any event the dems had the territory locked. Since then, everything seems to have gone horribly wrong, both in the larger realm of the world as well as personally.
There is no moral to this story, except that, for whatever reasons, I am not freaked out about the November results. I'm very possibly horribly naive, but I think the game is up for the opposition?
― dell, Monday, 29 September 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link
SO NOT GOING TO WIN
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 29 September 2008 20:25 (fifteen years ago) link
― skinny jeans + tight plaid shirt (internet person), Monday, 29 September 2008 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
It's a good thing I passed on that great opportunity to invest in the Iranian nuclear power program
― nabisco, Monday, 29 September 2008 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
There are freaks out there who think that if Obama wins the world is going to go to pot, and right now they, too, are planning their escape.
That's good, right?
― You should be an artist, in in your shower. (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 29 September 2008 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link
not for you aussies :D
― J4gger Dynamic Pentangle (Just got offed), Monday, 29 September 2008 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
In 2000 I was able to vote for Nader b/c I was living in one of those states where you could do that shit while being assured of the fact that in any event the dems had the territory locked. Since then, everything
similar story except where I live there's never hope of the state going any way but GOP.
― Peanuts taste like peanut butter (Susan), Monday, 29 September 2008 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
popular vote does matter in case it comes down 269-269 tho - not legally obv but it certainly would make things easier
― deej, Monday, 29 September 2008 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link
This bailout crises + the very real possibility of 269-269 scares teh ever lovin' shit outta me.
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 29 September 2008 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I keep looking at 269-269 and thinking "oh please please please please please please please" and then I realize I have no idea if I am fervently wishing for some votes to transfer to Obama or if I really want to see the country in a full-on deadlock.
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Monday, 29 September 2008 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, yeah, oncoming locomotives never stopped me from placing pennies on the railroad tracks, but I'd like to think that I'm looking further ahead into the future these days than what will happen when those pieces of copper come flying back toward my face.
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 29 September 2008 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link
keep looking at 269-269 and thinking "oh please please please please please please please" and then I realize I have no idea if I am fervently wishing for some votes to transfer to Obama or if I really want to see the country in a full-on deadlock.
Let's ask this man for advice.
http://penkaushistory.com/493px-President_Rutherford_Hayes_1870_-_1880.jpg
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 29 September 2008 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean, the same House that just agreed to settle this bailout bill and then bailed out on the bailout bill they agreed to settle would be the ones getting to pick the next president.
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 29 September 2008 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Or Obama and McCain could put aside their differences and share the Oval Office before a live studio audience.
― Kerm, Monday, 29 September 2008 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link
this fucking imbecile needs to retire
― Joyeux animaux de la misère (nakhchivan), Friday, 28 February 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
tell him. we already know it
― Aimless, Friday, 28 February 2014 20:20 (ten years ago) link