Gay Marriage to Alfred: Your Thoughts

so she's County Clerk and not, like, a clerk for the county. i figured.

still. no jail! duh.

Judge's reasoning is fining her will do no good because people are raising money to pay her fines for her.

(Judge is Jim Bunning's kid btw)

I'm happy enough to see her in jail, considering what alternatives there were. imo, if the judge only fined her, her fines would be paid by fellow fanatics, regardless of how high he sets the fine, and the higher it was, the more it would serve the purpose of making her look persecuted. sending her to jail will feel a bit glamorous to her at first, with all the adulation she'll get, but the longer she stays in, the less glamor will cling to it and the more the reality will set in. and if others are tempted to follow her example, they will know the consequence of hopping onto the bandwagon is jail time.

btw, I'd bet that she's been getting a lot of encouragement from her lawyers to be in contempt of court, because the lawyers' fees are being paid by organizations with a strong interest in the publicity her case generates and those organizations are the real client, not Davis. she's just a useful fool, blinded by her delusion that her going to jail will somehow result in changing a Supreme Court ruling. and her lawyers know it's all a circus for the media and all she will get out of it is an inflated sense of her own importance and a stint in jail.

I was hoping the judge would have some words for her lawyers but I havent see anything.

This is mentioned unthread, but one of the weirdest semi-related aspects of this case is that the Dubya-appointed federal judge who issued the court order is the son of Jim Bunning, All-Star Hall of Fame pitcher for the Tigers, Phillies, and Pirates(played with Al Kaline among many others, and pitched a perfect game).

Jim Bunning Sr retired from pro-ball and went into politics, eventually being elected as Congressman from KY. He held this seat until 2001, and his replacement? Rand Paul.

Pop culture is weird, and life can be dumber than fiction.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bunning

whoever said she's "out-George Wallace-ing George Wallace" otm this is v civil rights era in terms of people openly defying established law and proudly martyring themselves. they won't win.

if there's anything the state unreservedly will never back down on, it's the power of the state

i bet her sympathizers are excited she got arrested, more victimhood bullshit to spout on about and get excited and mad about

Your GOP presidential candidates, ladies and gents:

Ted Cruz: I Stand With Kim Davis

Huckabee: Why is Kim Davis in Jail and Hilary Isn't Durr Hurrr Hurrrrrrr

She's set financially for life.

I doubt it's a lifetime sinecure. Her value as a symbol of resistance will fade to nothing long before she dies, because the cause she's backing will fade away before too long. It will result in a rising tide of money over the next X weeks as the media circus continues.

her punishment shoulda been to serve as a stagehand for the touring version of La Cage Aux Folles for a year.

Have you seen her? She may not live very long.

yeah, it was kinda like looking upon the wreck of the Ella Fitzgerald

Edmund...christ.

Edmund Christ, younger brother of Jesus, never amounted to much

Don't underestimate a woman's longevity. Unless she's big smoker and boozer, the chances are good she'll hit at least 80, if not 90.

i can't believe "wreck of the ella fitzgerald" is not a punk band or something

It's a joke in Love and Rockets iirc

Ms. Davis remained in jail on Friday, and her husband said Friday that his wife planned to stay “as long as it takes” until a law was passed that gave county clerks like her the option not to issue marriage licenses that violated their religious convictions.

“She has done her job,” he said. “Just because five Supreme Court judges make a ruling, it’s not a law.”

go back to jr. high civics class, do not pass go

wow

her 4th husband btw

Collect them all!

only God makes laws, iirc

https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/kim-davis-fourth-husband-says-clerk-wont-resign-tell-judge-bunning-hes-a-butt/

planned to stay “as long as it takes” until a law was passed that gave county clerks like her the option not to issue marriage licenses

She has obviously not paid attention to how long it takes to pass a law, even under the best circumstances.

that law has no hope of passage or being upheld, it's so sad how people can't follow basic legal logic

like, Scalia is right - if your beliefs interfere with doing your job, you shouldn't have that job. it's not your right to have that job.

maybe she's hoping Nino will dress as the Dark Nought and spring her.

https://twitter.com/kimdavis917/status/640312688539623424

is this real

certainly looks real. no hint of irony.

that Twitter account has to be fake

yeah it's fake, go ahead and look up the bible verses she mentions

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/09/08/judge-orders-kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-released-from-jail/

Bunning handled this p cleverly imo - basically demoted her

I'm curious what kinda tone the rally will take; will they soldier on blindly as persecution or do this as victory? Or both?

how dare the court prevent Kim Davis from not doing her job

queers are gettin married in the county, can't see how they can spin that as a victory

CNN is/watch broadcasting this shit live

Is/was, rather

Not a victory for them but they are spinning it that way.

Her original goal was not to let marriage certificates leave her office because she had to rubber stamp them, which she viewed as participation. So her clerks couldn't either...RFRA case law shit all over that.

Now they have changed it to a rubber stamp that doesn't bear her name or post, just the office, and many of the ones signed when she was in jail had her place left blank.

and she and her lawyer are saying these are null and void without her stamp of approval. It has fuck all to do with her personal beliefs - she just wants to stop anybody gay from getting married in her building.

problem is it's not "her" building

It's GOD'S!

lol

so there's bumpkins with leaky brains actually protesting outside the Judge's house, asking the sheriff to take him to jail.

this would be the conservative Judge who likely doesn't agree with the SCOTUS ruling himself but understands how the law works.

Madonna's brother has opinions:

"Once again, the gay community feels the need to be sore winners," Christopher Ciccone, who is gay, wrote in a Facebook post. "The rights we have all fought for, mean nothing, if we deny her hers."

the right to inform her deputies to put themselves at legal risk and not issue marriage licenses

When did it become a sacred right never to be required by one's employer to do anything that conflicts with one's conscience? Because, if that's true, then -whoopee- the gravy train has pulled into the station and there's room on board for everyone!

like, Scalia is right - if your beliefs interfere with doing your job, you shouldn't have that job. it's not your right to have that job.

― Οὖτις, Friday, September 4, 2015 3:07 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is... complicated? there are plenty of whistleblowers at various levels of government who we'd applaud for "not doing their jobs." not to mention people working in a fundamentally unjust or murderous system, like nazi germany or, closer to home, america during either of the red scares.

it's not davis's unwillingness to "do her job" that makes her wrong IMO, it's the nature of what she will and won't do. the biggest problem is simply that she cites her religious beliefs, nothing more or less, in rationalizing her unwillingness to perform her duties. that makes her stance conflict with what judges have, for a long time now, considered a basic principle of the rule of law.

but in any case this is all a sideshow. the more compelling fact, IMO, is how many state, county, and other officials--who may disagree with the supreme court ruling and/or may hold deep-seated prejudices against gays and lesbians--are going along with the ruling. they amount to a consensus, which the media focus on davis obscures. so really, we should be celebrating. (though i admit it's somehow both angering and deeply satisfying to contemplate the awesome ignorance of davis and those who have rallied to her.)