"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

I'm hoping that "he won't remember any of this" means that Ben won't remember whatever it is that Richard does to him in the Temple (some Other initiation rite, I suppose). But I worry that Richard's line was meant to answer the head-scratcher posed by Hurley and Miles.

ben losing his memory thing was the worst piece of writing ever on this show. like immersion busting fuck-you bad writing.

I didn't have a problem with this considering they foreshadowed this with the bit with the French crew. They became different people.

But what I don't get is ... if Juliet is an other, wouldn't she have "lost her innocence" as well? Did they just never bother to fully initiate her? Because she certainly is a crack shot, and can speak Latin, and etc.

maybe it's not something they do often, it's prob a dodgy process. i wonder if juliet sort of knows what would happen to Ben if he was given over to the Others. It would explain why she was so angry at Jack - had Jack helped, Ben would not have grown up to be... BEN.

(btw lol @ Juliet barging in while Jack's showering and him not being particularly surprised either.)

amusing that pillbox thinks we are the foremost lost scholars on the internet - ??? I was referring to PN's "disappearing hand" Back to the Future reference and how the same joke was made on this week's episode. This constitutes a claim to great scholarship how, exactly?

To be fair, we actually are the great scholars of the Internet.

Is Charlotte a baby on the island? Did she learn Korean by Jin teaching it to her? (*stolen from a co-worker*) Are Charlotte-related things irrelevant now? When the hell will somebody mention Faraday again?

PN's Back to the Future reference was an amusing coincidence, but to say "LOL, sometimes I think the writers read this thread" seems sort of naive, considering that there are probably hundreds of message boards in which people go into much greater detail into analyzing Lost than we do here.

Yeah it was a joek.

xp (Or at least I think that was Cutty's point. I'm pretty sure you weren't entirely serious.)

Ummm, I don't think Ben is actually going to lose his memory guys. I think the whole point is that Ben knew Sayid was going to end up shooting his kid self all along. It's part of his whole manipulation thing.

This episode was the best Kate episode since the first series, I thought. Not really because of Kate though. It was all about the Ben stuff for me. Whatever happens inside the temple (hell, whatever's inside the temple) is going to be immensely important.

Whatever happens to Ben inside that Temple turns him into an Other, or separates him from the rest of the human race, or something equally weird. Possibly the same thing happened to Widmore, Elly and I bet Christian Shepherd at some point too. Which by extension would make Jack, Claire, Aaron, Penny and Penny's baby Charlie OtherBabies as well. It would explain that stupid "he walks amongst us, but he is not one of us" for one thing.

I mean, I think it's more likely that Hurley and Miles are too stupid to work out Future Ben knew what was going to happen all along. Or maybe I like the idea of Ben being super-cold and calculating and long-game all along, more than I like the idea of his memory being magically wiped, which would be LAME.

But it would explain Ben being surprised at finding out Jin was still alive.

Oh, add Daniel Faraday to my list of potential OtherBabies as well.

I'm surprisingly agreeing that this was a decent Kate episode - probably one of the most tolerable ones. Maybe it helped that she is super-hot off the island, I don't know. I will say I didn't expect that supermarket scene to actually work, it was pretty effective.

Ben being a devilish mastermind and remembering Sayid would be a killer would fit with his character as it stands, they really could have left it as it is. However, his surprise at realizing Jin was alive was VERY key (the music cue for that scene was amazingly blunt, and how could he have forgotten Jin over x number of years in the '70s?), and now that they've put in this whole "he'll forget" thing there's got to be some importance to it all by the end of the season. It's quite possible that young Ben won't see any of the rest of the main characters again, but we'll see how the writers play it.

i hope they pay tribute to previous "creepy island with mysterious secret societies with power to resurrect people" tv shows

http://www.acbm.com/concours/prisoner/images/rover/etouff.jpg

looking forward to ben being applied shaving cream then waking up with a buzzcut and a new outlook on life! Though maybe they'll just make him snort some smokey dust or some such.

not looking forward to kate's gropey makeout with ben's alkie dad.

series spinoff with H/M as wacky mismatched roommates which would consist primarily of Miles growing progressively impatient while trying to explain complex metaphysical concepts to an ever-inquisitive Hurley.

way xpost but yeah i was trying to work them into some Ghostbusters: The Next Generation scenario last night.

Just to say my take on the Ben/Sayid thing is that Ben did know all along and that Hurley/Miles argued towards the point where both, if they knew the full story of what Sayid had done after leaving the island, would have realised that Ben DID remember getting shot by him. I mean, if anything wasn't this a sort of prop for the audience to realise Ben has known the Oceanics all along.

i always assumed he had to have.

plus has nobody said yet...little ben=HARRY POTTER.

black on black violence in foreign country = less outrage from ned flanders than iraqi torture assassin shooting american harry potter in the chest.

― Philip Nunez, Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:52 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark

By god, this must have been the worst Lost episode ever. For the very first time I was going 'yadda yadda yadda', get the fuck on with it! The sap was way too much.

I mean, Kate & Sawyer desperately trying to save little Harry Potter, because of the "even if it's Benjamin Linus, it's still boohoo a kid"-bullshit, what was that all about? Jin trying to save Ben's life so desperately?
And Kate, oh Kate, famouse for being a recluse, for being the strong silent type, for hiding every detail about her personal life to anyone, Kate who never reveals anything about herself, suddenly spills the beans to a woman she only knows exists because she's the mother of Sawyer's daughter? "Sawyer broke your heart, how else were you going to fix it?" Oh fucking please...

The pay-off - Locke's "Hello Ben, welcome back to the land of the living" - should have been the first scene of this episode, not the cliffhanger. Because besides Alpert taking young Ben into the temple, that was really all we got from this episode wasn't it?

A horrendous episode.

xp OMG yes lil' Harry Potter!

suddenly spills the beans to a woman she only knows exists because she's the mother of Sawyer's daughter?

Kate and Cassidy knew each other before this:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Left_Behind

To that, I stand corrected.

still, i've had my heart broken and it never made me think, 'oh hey, i know what will make this better! i'll go steal me a baby!'

also her 'bye bye, baby' as she left the hotel room was sooooooooo eye roll

yeah bigtime. this ep felt a bit like one of those awful episodes in season 2 or 3 where hurley and charlie have a wacky fucking adventure playing golf or some shit.

also wtf was the point of the whole dumb baby aaron storyline, why even bother only to just say "well claire's mother is looking after him now".

i am such a lost addict that after i download it, i keep checking how long is left as i watch a given episode, this one wasted so many minutes with the kate/aaron stuff and gave us as little as possible of the current plot. why even bother at this stage? surely they have enough plot to fill every episode until the end?

also wtf @ 'don't ever ask me about aaron' a few eps back? really not a big deal... i guess maybe she was freaked since it means they'll find out she told people what really happened?

yeah the whole fuss over telling people what really happened is kind of absurd too. like surely claire's mother might kinda want to know where her daughter is if she's in fact still alive, perhaps in a serious way rather than just think "well my daughter whom I thought was dead is actually alive but this weirdo who stole her kid is on it, fuck it"

also her 'bye bye, baby' as she left the hotel room was sooooooooo eye roll

shoulda said "bye bye GOOBER"

also juliet made me chuckle with the ol' foot shuffle

http://base58.com/ilx/julietshuffle.gif

next week:

"John!...how long have you been sitting there waiting for me to wake up?"

"THREE STINKIN DAYS"

like the idea that ben is such a cold MF that he would allow a little kid to be shot just to further his machinations (even if that little kid happens to have been himself at some point)

if only sayid had seen miller's crossing w/ its ALWAYS PUT ONE IN THE BRAINNNNN

OK for once i watched the 'next week' clip on youtube and now v excited

Ha, all three Lost blogs I read this week have said "OMG, they mentioned Back To The Future, that must mean the writers read this blog!".

dumb episode

Basically what they need to do is put Aaron through the time vortex and have him turn up aged 20 and totally hardcore and ready for whatever Satanic destiny he's been preparing for since conception.

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/04/JLIPNIcK.jpg

this ep felt a bit like one of those awful episodes in season 2 or 3 where hurley and charlie have a wacky fucking adventure playing golf or some shit.

Fuck you those episodes were great.

Actually it feels like what would usually happen was that they'd play golf for ages and then whack the ball straight into some mysterious Dharma station they'd never noticed before.

i was gonna say. golf ep was gr8.

someone remind me - what was the deal with that lady who appeared out of nowhere once and told Juliet that she looked like Ben's... therapist was it? (I think this was when they were on the way to the 'gas everyone on the island' station)

I think you might be thinking of the wife of the dude Juliet was taking "day trips" with.

Harper was Juliet's therapist. Juliet was meanwhile sleeping with Harper's husband, Goodwin (who is later killed by Ana-Lucia). In the scene where Harper confronts Juliet about the fact that she's been having an affair with Goodwin, Harper also tells Juliet that Ben has been nice to her because "you look just like her." It's never revealed who "her" is.

i totally had all that messed up in my head. like you said. i was thinking of "Harper" who was the otherville therapist married to goodwin who was having the affair with juliet, which possibly led to Ben sending goodwin to check out the tailies. or something.

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Harper also tells Juliet that Ben has been nice to her because "you look just like her." It's never revealed who "her" is.
AH thats what i was thinking of though - thanks

So that means that Harper must have seen Juliet back in the Dharma days too--or just a photo I guess.

Juliet will guide teenage Ben through pon farr or some such ha!

Ben's Dad: most annoying face since Pickett's

Dude that's Lazlo you're talking about

http://unknowndocument.com/blog/42/lazlo.jpg

Harper also tells Juliet that Ben has been nice to her because "you look just like her." It's never revealed who "her" is.

That would be Ben's mother. Her death prompts his flight to the Others, as well as the fertility obsession that Richard Alpert considers a distraction.

- crossing fingers that Ben doesn't die until season 6

That would be Ben's mother. Her death prompts his flight to the Others, as well as the fertility obsession that Richard Alpert considers a distraction.

She died in childbirth though.

lazlo also was the werewolf in monster squad and the uncle in napoleon dynamite. don't talk shit about that dude.

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Yep, but i think a shrink would be well aware that Ben was obsessed with his mom's death as well as his dad making him feel responsible for it.