"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

"It was just a bit of fun, let's be cool..."

i hated alpert's disclaimer 'if we take him he won't remember and will lose his innocence, kthx!'

v convenient

yeah, nice dialogue

I wonder what exactly they meant by "lose his innocence" anyway, I hope that gets explored in the next episode. Didn't get to see the preview but I heard there is a lot of Ben coming our way, possibly some Desmond/Penny boat murder (attempts?? I hope) & maybe even the Rousseau/Alex kidnapping! Bring it!

maybe it's what he meant when he said he was "born on the island". Reborn?

Judging from the "next week on Lost" clip, Ben's attempt on Penny's life will be next week. But there was one little thing in that clip that makes me think he doesn't succeed.

i hated alpert's disclaimer 'if we take him he won't remember and will lose his innocence, kthx!'

― tehresa, Thursday, April 2, 2009 10:27 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

v convenient

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yeah that bothered me too. after the whole Miles-Hurley bit, which was funny but sort of all "stop thinking about this show so hard" and ends with the "why wouldn't adult Ben remember Sayid" paradox (zing) ..... they then feel the need to throw in a dumb explanation for why adult Ben wouldn't know Sayid.

made so much more sense for Ben to remember all those people from his childhood, thus he's been tracking them all along making lists etc.

so it seems like Widmoer and Elly are the head of the others in 1977, I guess we'll get to see how Ben pulls off that coup and sends Charles into exile or something

yes, that was what i wanted his motivation to be!
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childish and all but alpert's disclaimer sounded kind of paedoey. what I don't get about the ben/sayid thing is, surely it's possible that ben does rememmber him? I mean I had figured that the exact reason Ben knows Sayid is a killer and hires him is that he knows he shot a 10 year old kid in cold blood.

this ep was okay but seriously, thank fuck baby aaron is gone, all the kate flashbacks were so fucking dull. Like that idiotic supermarket scene where she looks like she's utterly glazed over on valium or something "where are you aaron?????" They wasted so much time on all that shit.

The episode was redeemed by the Alpert bit and Locke's grizzly gaze "WELCOME BACK TO THE LAND OF THE LIVING". He should have said "land of the lolz" tho.

I thought the whole episode was redeemed by Sawyer and Jack (and Hurley and Miles) who have somehow morphed into great characters.

xp yeah it invalidates sayid's entire episode last week kinda - sayid being turned into a killer by ben who remembered him from childhood has more um narrative poetry i guess. also it would add an extra layer to ben's shit-eating smirk to himself last season right after he first recruited sayid at his wife's funeral.

i think both sawyer, jack and kate have always been great characters who are constantly being eclipsed by awesome new people like desmond, ben, alpert, tom, juliet etc. sawyer and jack always seem to do quite well in season finales at least but kate has never recovered from awfulness since around the middle of season 3.

both

I agree with whoever said Jack is better now than his old do-gooder self. He's such a lazy directionless jerk now, I have loved that crazy Jack since he rode around in the jeep etc. I wish he'd kept the beard tho.

He's such a lazy directionless jerk now

This was kind of Matthew Fox's character on Party of Five also, he is more likable that way.

I agree with everyone that the Ben losing his memory twist was unnecessary - am I right that Ben does return to the Dharma camp?..because he's still living with them when the Purge happens - if so, then he may still have memories of Jack,Sawyer,Hurley etc just not of Sayid shooting him

Will we get to see what goes on inside the temple soon?!?!?

ben losing his memory thing was the worst piece of writing ever on this show. like immersion busting fuck-you bad writing.

Lol @ this on front page of Lostpedia (from yesterday i presume!):

In a shockingly quiet press release yesterday, executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, revealed that the director of the series finale would be none other than acclaimed director M. Night Shymalan. The content of the finale still remains a secret, but Lindelof and Cuse stated that they wished to "get a hold" on the most important episode of next year, to make sure that everything goes "without a hitch." Shyamalan, director of such films as The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, and Lady in the Water says that he is more than up for the challenge, and will begin working with the producers as soon as his newest film, The Last Airbender, completes production

yeah wondering are they going supernatural with the temple

lol there was another april fools' article i read somewhere that stated that damon lindelof was leaving the show and "never never never never never" coming back.

I thought Alpert was about to kiss young Ben just before he backed into the temple. I thought they were about to really see that loss of innocence thing through.

I wonder how many more lines like "he won't remember any of this" the writers will try to pull off before the end of the series to get out of a few corners they've painted themselves into.

"Hey guys, have you seen that sand dune over there that looks like a four-toed statue?"

I'm hoping that "he won't remember any of this" means that Ben won't remember whatever it is that Richard does to him in the Temple (some Other initiation rite, I suppose). But I worry that Richard's line was meant to answer the head-scratcher posed by Hurley and Miles.

ben losing his memory thing was the worst piece of writing ever on this show. like immersion busting fuck-you bad writing.

I didn't have a problem with this considering they foreshadowed this with the bit with the French crew. They became different people.

But what I don't get is ... if Juliet is an other, wouldn't she have "lost her innocence" as well? Did they just never bother to fully initiate her? Because she certainly is a crack shot, and can speak Latin, and etc.

maybe it's not something they do often, it's prob a dodgy process. i wonder if juliet sort of knows what would happen to Ben if he was given over to the Others. It would explain why she was so angry at Jack - had Jack helped, Ben would not have grown up to be... BEN.

(btw lol @ Juliet barging in while Jack's showering and him not being particularly surprised either.)

amusing that pillbox thinks we are the foremost lost scholars on the internet - ??? I was referring to PN's "disappearing hand" Back to the Future reference and how the same joke was made on this week's episode. This constitutes a claim to great scholarship how, exactly?

To be fair, we actually are the great scholars of the Internet.

Is Charlotte a baby on the island? Did she learn Korean by Jin teaching it to her? (*stolen from a co-worker*) Are Charlotte-related things irrelevant now? When the hell will somebody mention Faraday again?

PN's Back to the Future reference was an amusing coincidence, but to say "LOL, sometimes I think the writers read this thread" seems sort of naive, considering that there are probably hundreds of message boards in which people go into much greater detail into analyzing Lost than we do here.

Yeah it was a joek.

xp (Or at least I think that was Cutty's point. I'm pretty sure you weren't entirely serious.)

Ummm, I don't think Ben is actually going to lose his memory guys. I think the whole point is that Ben knew Sayid was going to end up shooting his kid self all along. It's part of his whole manipulation thing.

This episode was the best Kate episode since the first series, I thought. Not really because of Kate though. It was all about the Ben stuff for me. Whatever happens inside the temple (hell, whatever's inside the temple) is going to be immensely important.

Whatever happens to Ben inside that Temple turns him into an Other, or separates him from the rest of the human race, or something equally weird. Possibly the same thing happened to Widmore, Elly and I bet Christian Shepherd at some point too. Which by extension would make Jack, Claire, Aaron, Penny and Penny's baby Charlie OtherBabies as well. It would explain that stupid "he walks amongst us, but he is not one of us" for one thing.

I mean, I think it's more likely that Hurley and Miles are too stupid to work out Future Ben knew what was going to happen all along. Or maybe I like the idea of Ben being super-cold and calculating and long-game all along, more than I like the idea of his memory being magically wiped, which would be LAME.

But it would explain Ben being surprised at finding out Jin was still alive.

Oh, add Daniel Faraday to my list of potential OtherBabies as well.

I'm surprisingly agreeing that this was a decent Kate episode - probably one of the most tolerable ones. Maybe it helped that she is super-hot off the island, I don't know. I will say I didn't expect that supermarket scene to actually work, it was pretty effective.

Ben being a devilish mastermind and remembering Sayid would be a killer would fit with his character as it stands, they really could have left it as it is. However, his surprise at realizing Jin was alive was VERY key (the music cue for that scene was amazingly blunt, and how could he have forgotten Jin over x number of years in the '70s?), and now that they've put in this whole "he'll forget" thing there's got to be some importance to it all by the end of the season. It's quite possible that young Ben won't see any of the rest of the main characters again, but we'll see how the writers play it.

i hope they pay tribute to previous "creepy island with mysterious secret societies with power to resurrect people" tv shows

http://www.acbm.com/concours/prisoner/images/rover/etouff.jpg

looking forward to ben being applied shaving cream then waking up with a buzzcut and a new outlook on life! Though maybe they'll just make him snort some smokey dust or some such.

not looking forward to kate's gropey makeout with ben's alkie dad.

series spinoff with H/M as wacky mismatched roommates which would consist primarily of Miles growing progressively impatient while trying to explain complex metaphysical concepts to an ever-inquisitive Hurley.

way xpost but yeah i was trying to work them into some Ghostbusters: The Next Generation scenario last night.

Just to say my take on the Ben/Sayid thing is that Ben did know all along and that Hurley/Miles argued towards the point where both, if they knew the full story of what Sayid had done after leaving the island, would have realised that Ben DID remember getting shot by him. I mean, if anything wasn't this a sort of prop for the audience to realise Ben has known the Oceanics all along.

i always assumed he had to have.

plus has nobody said yet...little ben=HARRY POTTER.

black on black violence in foreign country = less outrage from ned flanders than iraqi torture assassin shooting american harry potter in the chest.

― Philip Nunez, Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:52 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark

By god, this must have been the worst Lost episode ever. For the very first time I was going 'yadda yadda yadda', get the fuck on with it! The sap was way too much.

I mean, Kate & Sawyer desperately trying to save little Harry Potter, because of the "even if it's Benjamin Linus, it's still boohoo a kid"-bullshit, what was that all about? Jin trying to save Ben's life so desperately?
And Kate, oh Kate, famouse for being a recluse, for being the strong silent type, for hiding every detail about her personal life to anyone, Kate who never reveals anything about herself, suddenly spills the beans to a woman she only knows exists because she's the mother of Sawyer's daughter? "Sawyer broke your heart, how else were you going to fix it?" Oh fucking please...

The pay-off - Locke's "Hello Ben, welcome back to the land of the living" - should have been the first scene of this episode, not the cliffhanger. Because besides Alpert taking young Ben into the temple, that was really all we got from this episode wasn't it?

A horrendous episode.

xp OMG yes lil' Harry Potter!

suddenly spills the beans to a woman she only knows exists because she's the mother of Sawyer's daughter?

Kate and Cassidy knew each other before this:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Left_Behind

To that, I stand corrected.

still, i've had my heart broken and it never made me think, 'oh hey, i know what will make this better! i'll go steal me a baby!'

also her 'bye bye, baby' as she left the hotel room was sooooooooo eye roll

yeah bigtime. this ep felt a bit like one of those awful episodes in season 2 or 3 where hurley and charlie have a wacky fucking adventure playing golf or some shit.

also wtf was the point of the whole dumb baby aaron storyline, why even bother only to just say "well claire's mother is looking after him now".

i am such a lost addict that after i download it, i keep checking how long is left as i watch a given episode, this one wasted so many minutes with the kate/aaron stuff and gave us as little as possible of the current plot. why even bother at this stage? surely they have enough plot to fill every episode until the end?

also wtf @ 'don't ever ask me about aaron' a few eps back? really not a big deal... i guess maybe she was freaked since it means they'll find out she told people what really happened?