"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

The Ben Linus theme this week into next is like television candy for me, as well.

kate is soooooooooo stupid

nah in her stupidity kate did exactly what she was supposed to do. i normally hate kate episodes but quite liked this one, even though her scenes with aaron are still cringe-y.

didn't like the "ben will forget this happened" bit though, would've been ten times better if everything he did as an adult was because he already knew who the castaways were in his past.

so you go into the temple, you come out as an Other?

Myles and Hurley conversation = A+++

^^^and this.

also lol i like nu-douchebag jack better than old douchebag jack - dude's such an asshole.

also lol i like nu-douchebag jack better than old douchebag jack - dude's such an asshole.

YES. I love the symmetry of Jack and "Sawyer" changing places as the series moves from one end to the other. Would not be surprised to see James doing something heroic at the end, the way Jack took charge in episode 01-01.

ditto on lovin' neo-douchebag, grunge-listening, finally-realizing-that-Kate-is-just-selfish-and-manipulative Jack

I know some people are suspecting a Sawyer death this season, but I really think he's around til the end now....for the exact reasons WmC mentioned above.

I still think Sayid is going to be the S5 death.

Sayid really serves zero purpose at this point, right?

I mean, if his purpose was to shoot 12yo Ben and 12yo doesn't die but does become an Other, then purpose served.

yeah death seems more likely to be sayid's now. :( i wanted to see him do his requisite 10 mins of ass-kicking per season in S6.

so stoked for next week's episode - i've missed Locke.

That said, looking forward to adult Ben to start dematerializing in front of everyone while jamming on Johnny B. Goode.

― Philip Nunez, Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:30 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

LOL, sometimes I think the writers read this thread. The dialog b/w Hurley & Miles totally saved this episode from Kate emo-dullsville (though as a "Kate" episode, it was a cut above, which isn't saying much, but still..) & made a convincing argument for a series spinoff with H/M as wacky mismatched roommates which would consist primarily of Miles growing progressively impatient while trying to explain complex metaphysical concepts to an ever-inquisitive Hurley.

Also: Ben being all o_O @ coming to w/ Locke sitting by his bedside = classic. I'm looking forward to that conversation.

I think this is maybe my favorite season of the show.

ya miles + hurley conversation sounded like a thousand lost forum discussions.

i wonder if miles still sees dead people.

amusing that pillbox thinks we are the foremost lost scholars on the internet

ugh weakest episode of the season so far

Good casting.

Kate flirting with Ben's dad creepy in so many ways. With Sawyer paired up with Juliet and Kate hating Jack, why not give Miles a spin first? Oh, Kate.

Better than most Kate episodes, but still kind of blah. I would have liked to see more of Kate and Cassidy - I missed a few minutes after the first commercial break so maybe it was then. And she didn't seem to tell Sawyer "btw, I already knew Cassidy" which would have been an interesting conversation. :P

Myles/Hurley was A+

Can't wait to see more of Locke in the, uh, "land of the living"!

Can't wait for next week's Ben/Locke chat. "Now, now, now, now John, you know I had to kill you, right? We're still pals?"

"It was just a bit of fun, let's be cool..."

i hated alpert's disclaimer 'if we take him he won't remember and will lose his innocence, kthx!'

v convenient

yeah, nice dialogue

I wonder what exactly they meant by "lose his innocence" anyway, I hope that gets explored in the next episode. Didn't get to see the preview but I heard there is a lot of Ben coming our way, possibly some Desmond/Penny boat murder (attempts?? I hope) & maybe even the Rousseau/Alex kidnapping! Bring it!

maybe it's what he meant when he said he was "born on the island". Reborn?

Judging from the "next week on Lost" clip, Ben's attempt on Penny's life will be next week. But there was one little thing in that clip that makes me think he doesn't succeed.

i hated alpert's disclaimer 'if we take him he won't remember and will lose his innocence, kthx!'

― tehresa, Thursday, April 2, 2009 10:27 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

v convenient

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yeah that bothered me too. after the whole Miles-Hurley bit, which was funny but sort of all "stop thinking about this show so hard" and ends with the "why wouldn't adult Ben remember Sayid" paradox (zing) ..... they then feel the need to throw in a dumb explanation for why adult Ben wouldn't know Sayid.

made so much more sense for Ben to remember all those people from his childhood, thus he's been tracking them all along making lists etc.

so it seems like Widmoer and Elly are the head of the others in 1977, I guess we'll get to see how Ben pulls off that coup and sends Charles into exile or something

yes, that was what i wanted his motivation to be!
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childish and all but alpert's disclaimer sounded kind of paedoey. what I don't get about the ben/sayid thing is, surely it's possible that ben does rememmber him? I mean I had figured that the exact reason Ben knows Sayid is a killer and hires him is that he knows he shot a 10 year old kid in cold blood.

this ep was okay but seriously, thank fuck baby aaron is gone, all the kate flashbacks were so fucking dull. Like that idiotic supermarket scene where she looks like she's utterly glazed over on valium or something "where are you aaron?????" They wasted so much time on all that shit.

The episode was redeemed by the Alpert bit and Locke's grizzly gaze "WELCOME BACK TO THE LAND OF THE LIVING". He should have said "land of the lolz" tho.

I thought the whole episode was redeemed by Sawyer and Jack (and Hurley and Miles) who have somehow morphed into great characters.

xp yeah it invalidates sayid's entire episode last week kinda - sayid being turned into a killer by ben who remembered him from childhood has more um narrative poetry i guess. also it would add an extra layer to ben's shit-eating smirk to himself last season right after he first recruited sayid at his wife's funeral.

i think both sawyer, jack and kate have always been great characters who are constantly being eclipsed by awesome new people like desmond, ben, alpert, tom, juliet etc. sawyer and jack always seem to do quite well in season finales at least but kate has never recovered from awfulness since around the middle of season 3.

both

I agree with whoever said Jack is better now than his old do-gooder self. He's such a lazy directionless jerk now, I have loved that crazy Jack since he rode around in the jeep etc. I wish he'd kept the beard tho.

He's such a lazy directionless jerk now

This was kind of Matthew Fox's character on Party of Five also, he is more likable that way.

I agree with everyone that the Ben losing his memory twist was unnecessary - am I right that Ben does return to the Dharma camp?..because he's still living with them when the Purge happens - if so, then he may still have memories of Jack,Sawyer,Hurley etc just not of Sayid shooting him

Will we get to see what goes on inside the temple soon?!?!?

ben losing his memory thing was the worst piece of writing ever on this show. like immersion busting fuck-you bad writing.

Lol @ this on front page of Lostpedia (from yesterday i presume!):

In a shockingly quiet press release yesterday, executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, revealed that the director of the series finale would be none other than acclaimed director M. Night Shymalan. The content of the finale still remains a secret, but Lindelof and Cuse stated that they wished to "get a hold" on the most important episode of next year, to make sure that everything goes "without a hitch." Shyamalan, director of such films as The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, and Lady in the Water says that he is more than up for the challenge, and will begin working with the producers as soon as his newest film, The Last Airbender, completes production

yeah wondering are they going supernatural with the temple

lol there was another april fools' article i read somewhere that stated that damon lindelof was leaving the show and "never never never never never" coming back.

I thought Alpert was about to kiss young Ben just before he backed into the temple. I thought they were about to really see that loss of innocence thing through.

I wonder how many more lines like "he won't remember any of this" the writers will try to pull off before the end of the series to get out of a few corners they've painted themselves into.

"Hey guys, have you seen that sand dune over there that looks like a four-toed statue?"

I'm hoping that "he won't remember any of this" means that Ben won't remember whatever it is that Richard does to him in the Temple (some Other initiation rite, I suppose). But I worry that Richard's line was meant to answer the head-scratcher posed by Hurley and Miles.

ben losing his memory thing was the worst piece of writing ever on this show. like immersion busting fuck-you bad writing.

I didn't have a problem with this considering they foreshadowed this with the bit with the French crew. They became different people.

But what I don't get is ... if Juliet is an other, wouldn't she have "lost her innocence" as well? Did they just never bother to fully initiate her? Because she certainly is a crack shot, and can speak Latin, and etc.

maybe it's not something they do often, it's prob a dodgy process. i wonder if juliet sort of knows what would happen to Ben if he was given over to the Others. It would explain why she was so angry at Jack - had Jack helped, Ben would not have grown up to be... BEN.

(btw lol @ Juliet barging in while Jack's showering and him not being particularly surprised either.)

amusing that pillbox thinks we are the foremost lost scholars on the internet - ??? I was referring to PN's "disappearing hand" Back to the Future reference and how the same joke was made on this week's episode. This constitutes a claim to great scholarship how, exactly?

To be fair, we actually are the great scholars of the Internet.