(confident L'Equipe is working on it as we speak)
― Ludo, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 11:01 (eight years ago) link
i feel naive even as i say it, but I'd be surprised and disappointed if sky were institutionally doping. individual riders are of course harder to control and it's impossible to be certain. also recognise "benefit of doubt" simply doesn't apply in this area.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 12:29 (eight years ago) link
Whatever happens next, that was a heroic gap-cross by Martin.
― Madchen, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 13:39 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/4AWWC55.gif
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/offtheball/ross-tucker-on-chris-fromme
― wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link
Tucker's blog is always good
http://sportsscientists.com/2015/07/day-1-in-the-mountains-one-more-pixel-context-mistrust/
He's pretty convinced Froomey doped
― Robert Earl Hughes (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 16 July 2015 01:49 (eight years ago) link
i think the balance of evidence is probably on their side, but the arguments used aren't totally without slightly dubious methods too.
the "one more pixel" argument isn't great as it can involve "look at Astana in on this day" used to support "look at Froome yesterday". I don't feel enormously happy with the idea of saying that Froome's emergence at 25 in Kenya is too remarkable to be true - too sportsmen are always remarkable for different reasons (this doesn't hold for the wattage evidence, which is i think fair proof, though as continually said is *just* within the plausible and not in itself proof).
in a sport that's endemically doping do sky dope more, better than other teams? (that argument cuts both ways of course - in a sport that endemically dopes any team that does well *must* be doping.)
for me the convincing bits of their argument are that this is a sport where doping clearly still happens and that the doctors who were always involved are still involved at a team level and in individual winter "training camps". this feels like a sport that isn't institutionally reformed working in an environment where as always the dopers are ahead of the testers.
i do find the "oh oval chainrings and smoothies" response by sky irritating (and in itself almost more convincing than some of the arguments in the last two pieces.)
anyway, I'll be sitting down at the weekend to catch up on and enjoy the last two stages. always love the pyrenees.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 16 July 2015 05:10 (eight years ago) link
Seeing a bit more of Peraud than we should 😳
― Madchen, Friday, 17 July 2015 14:12 (eight years ago) link
fantastic finale
― wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Saturday, 18 July 2015 15:14 (eight years ago) link
O_o
http://deadspin.com/man-throws-urine-at-tour-de-france-leader-chris-froome-1718824843
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 July 2015 06:43 (eight years ago) link
but yeah, great finish
last two stages have been pretty exciting in the final moments
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 July 2015 06:46 (eight years ago) link
aw poor TJtomorrow should be fun, sawtooth profile including for the first time "Les Lacets de Montvernier"
http://i.imgur.com/XWCnWmB.jpg
was part of the Dauphine course this year but the live coverage only started as they got to the top, d'oh!
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link
"It could be a unique profile, classical doping - using haematological drugs, like EPO - or mechanical doping which is using a motor in your bike"
can't help but think there may be better terms to use than 'mechanical doping'
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:41 (eight years ago) link
lol
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 18:02 (eight years ago) link
Tejay ;_; Also I'm annoyed about Bertie, it's much less of a race now. Maybe there'll be a français in the top 10 now, hehe.
Those lacets look awesome.
― Madchen, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
yeah, i've watched many abandons and they are sad, but that was pretty moving.
― wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
Poor old Kwiatkowski too, that was some earbashing.
― Madchen, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
that is one fine looking roadhttp://inrng.com/2014/10/roads-to-ride-lacets-montvernier/
― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
wow!
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link
Tejay -__-
― never heard of this Mark Knobfler bloke (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 21:07 (eight years ago) link
Lol On A Ragga Tip over the end credits of ITV4's highlights programme.
― Madchen, Thursday, 23 July 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link
I've been out cycling all day long. Did I miss anything? I've recorded the highlights - can I liberally use the fast forward button or have I got to pay attention?
― Let's go, FIFA! (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 23 July 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
I watched the whole thing live and didn't regret it, so I reckon it's worth watching the highlights.
― Madchen, Thursday, 23 July 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link
So from my last couple of posts you can deduce that I'm the saddo who watches both.
― Madchen, Thursday, 23 July 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link
I did that yesterday. I'd be happy to do it every day if real life didn't intervene so much.
― Let's go, FIFA! (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 23 July 2015 22:22 (eight years ago) link
so 4real i have not really been following at all this year (not even blogs or nothing) and am wondering if it would be worth going back and trying to dig up highlights/stages and such?
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 23 July 2015 23:16 (eight years ago) link
24 July will be a good day to watch, there's been a lot of climbing this week which isn't typical. But unless Froome wrecks he will win again.
― Robert Earl Hughes (dandydonweiner), Friday, 24 July 2015 00:29 (eight years ago) link
I am behind, just watching stage17 now
Tejay pulling out was so sad, when his team are hugging him & he's crying, poor guy
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 July 2015 04:26 (eight years ago) link
Sky are looking a bit worn out. This is shaping up nicely.
― Madchen, Friday, 24 July 2015 12:50 (eight years ago) link
This is so exciting!
― Madchen, Friday, 24 July 2015 15:41 (eight years ago) link
Gesink providing his Tour power profiles on Strava is so fun. Only pro in my feed.
― wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Friday, 24 July 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
sidebar:
can anyone recommend me a good book to read about the history of the tour? am keen to learn more
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 July 2015 22:37 (eight years ago) link