Without spoilers, is it just Arya's story that is more advanced in the books? (I've read them all but can't actually remember).
― groovypanda, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:29 (eight years ago) link
Robert being dead is quite obviously a thing on account of multiple characters saying and then acting as if he has died. How is this the case with Stannis?
There's every reason to doubt Stannis' death until we see receipts.xps
― tsrobodo, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:31 (eight years ago) link
What I mean is that he seemed to have his shit together as recently as when he was hanging out at Castle Black. Went downhill very quick after that.
xxp
― Evan, Monday, June 15, 2015 9:22 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
Bran's, kinda sorta. Most of the others are caught up or just so different it's hard to say.
― Clay, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
xpost maybe someone thought that two scenes of major characters bleeding out into the snow was one too many for a single episode
the thing about Robert was a joke guys jeez
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
hah sorry misfire. was going to reply "and every decision he's made since leaving has been heinous"
it was pretty clear how bad he fucked up when he army went out to meet the boltons. dude had nobody left following his dumb ass.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:33 (eight years ago) link
Did the soldiers who deserted Stannis do so because they were disgusted by the burning or just that they knew they'd lose the battle?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:38 (eight years ago) link
I suspect the burning was the issue. I'll miss stannis, he was part of some great scenes. And yeah like his gloomy Michael Gross thing.
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:45 (eight years ago) link
I liked*
The High Sparrow seemed pleased that Cersei wasn't going to admit that her children were Jaime's. What going on there? Does he want Tommen to remain on the throne?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:47 (eight years ago) link
xpI assumed they deserted mostly for self-preservation.
― nickn, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link
I think the "torture the watch who missed Bolton's men and then kill them"/"watch me burn my daughter for good luck" 1-2 combo was not the morale booster Stannis thought it would be
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:50 (eight years ago) link
Maybe he wants to have a trial because he has other proof.
― nickn, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:51 (eight years ago) link
I do like the phrase "self swords"
it's sell swords
― Number None, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link
Varys slinking out from the shadows was the episode's highpoint. Tyrion running Mereen, w/Varys and Grey Worm, should be interesting to see.
lol at Daenerys' storyline ending back at square one. I hope she spends the next five seasons slowly rising back to power.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:59 (eight years ago) link
suspect the dothraki are gonna be impressed with her dragon
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link
Gwendoline Christie (Brienne) is so fun and charming on the extra interview shows. Only other things I've seen her in are small parts in Terry Gilliam films where I didn't notice her.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 22:57 (eight years ago) link
Ah yes, sell swords.
― nickn, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:01 (eight years ago) link
shell swords
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:05 (eight years ago) link
they're swell swords when they're not being smell swords
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:11 (eight years ago) link
wish they'd shown the set-up for Jon's death"That Jon Snow needs taking down a peg or two. I've got a plan..."
"what shall we tell him? There's a white walker here to see him? but like a really hot lady one?""nah, just make up some shit about his family"
"and what is it really, again?""a plank of wood with 'traitor' scrawled on it""brilliant, brilliant. His face when he sees that!"
― kinder, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:33 (eight years ago) link
Cersei sells self swords by the narrow seashore
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 00:44 (eight years ago) link
Magical assassins, witchy women, zombie monsters, dragon riders, wanton abuse and sadism, damsels in distress, actual cliffhangers.
Bah.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 03:08 (eight years ago) link
hearty lols at the piece of wood with TRAITOR carved into it
― 龜, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 03:22 (eight years ago) link
Yep, in case we didn't get it.
― nickn, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 03:44 (eight years ago) link
It did need an arrow pointing to a crudely drawn picture of Jon, though.
Should have put a mirror there
― 龜, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 03:45 (eight years ago) link
With the legend "Do you see?"
― nickn, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 03:51 (eight years ago) link
that little murder scene was basically the entire character arc of every dead stark combined and whittled down to one minute.
― nomar, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 04:00 (eight years ago) link
after sansa then shereen and now cersei idk how much more of this i can stand, this show is so hard to watch now
rip jon snow, i liked u even if everyone didnt. ps can i have yr big fur coat
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 04:09 (eight years ago) link
You guys, it's spelled "warg".
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 04:26 (eight years ago) link
ok i know this is dumb
but jon snow's eyes went cloudy and then normal again as he lay dying
i think it means somethink and i think he will be back or maybe he is a direwolf idk
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 04:48 (eight years ago) link
its wldve been cool if at the end the wolf came up and started to eat his corpse
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 04:56 (eight years ago) link
Probably the shadow of an ice dragon flying overhead. xp
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 04:56 (eight years ago) link
just for nerds
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 05:07 (eight years ago) link
Oh, you can do better than that.
― Hell Books (latebloomer), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 05:38 (eight years ago) link
Clearly be can't.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 06:02 (eight years ago) link
I'm finding it hard to load the bits of this thread that i missed since it goes back 5 years. Was looking for the beginning of discussion started last week and its among the 'now skipping x amount of comments' section which is several 1000 long & always loads so you're at the start of it. Any chance of starting a new thread soon?
Saw the last episode yesterday and all the wrong people are dying. JUst had to take the 1st book back to the library after only reading 1st 70 pages because it was on request and I'd been reading other things. Must get around to reading whichever volumes this is based on at some point. But my to read list is pretty large.BUt does Martin have it in for the Starks? are they just too nice for a ruthless power struggle or something?
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 07:47 (eight years ago) link
pretty sure Davos will return next season
With Snow dead and Sam out of the way, Davos is the eyes and ears of the viewer at the Wall, unless they spend a lot more time with Melisandre's character, or one of the random Watch dudes. I really hope he gets more to do.
Given they think John Snow is there, it's possible that Sansa and Theon might try and head to Castle Black, which would be a really bad idea.
For a second I thought that the dragon had taken Dany to Westeros and got all excited, but no, she's still on the wrong side of the sea.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 10:18 (eight years ago) link
Kinda missed Littlefinger for most of this season as well, with everything kicking off all over the place he felt conspicuous by his absence.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 10:19 (eight years ago) link
Loved how for just a few seconds, we got to see Dany all alone and not surrounded by hundreds of people, only for a whole battalion of Dothraki show up.
― boat of boats (dog latin), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 10:42 (eight years ago) link
Brienne *might* have calculated that Stannis represents her best shot at getting Sansa out of Winterfell (although with no army I'm not sure how). So it's a question of whether her loyalty to the Starks trumps loyalty to Renly. Either way it's got to be significant we didn't see him die when they cut straight away to show Ramsey kill some redshirt no one cares about.
Given the show is now killing major and popular characters off at a rate of at least one a season, the Kingslayer will surely be the next to go?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:03 (eight years ago) link
unless they spend a lot more time with Melisandre's character,
iirc Melisandre became a viewpoint character near the end of the last book
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:30 (eight years ago) link
as definitively dead as jon snow appears to be (unlike stannis as it happens, maybe brienne missed eh) there is a magic woman with powers bestowed from a god who's been known to resurrect people hanging around.
― Merdeyeux, Monday, June 15, 2015 11:50 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Was thinking that myself. So wonder how permanent it is going to be.Presumably does explain her turning up at that point if so, though don't know where else she would have gone.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:35 (eight years ago) link
xp You don't remember correctly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dance_with_Dragons#Characters
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:37 (eight years ago) link
he does you know
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:38 (eight years ago) link
as definitively dead as jon snow appears to be (unlike stannis as it happens, maybe brienne missed eh) there is a magic woman with powers bestowed from a god who's been known to resurrect people hanging around.― Merdeyeux, Monday, June 15, 2015 11:50 AM (Yesterday)Was thinking that myself. So wonder how permanent it is going to be.Presumably does explain her turning up at that point if so, though don't know where else she would have gone.
― Merdeyeux, Monday, June 15, 2015 11:50 AM (Yesterday)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHk9VZOWgAACaMI.jpg
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:39 (eight years ago) link
Thought this was an okay season which, like the third, was redeemed by a pretty kickass last few episodes. The final scene was a bit close to misery porn for my liking though. :(
Also lol at GoT scriptwriters' Alanis Morrissettian concept of irony ("Jon always comes back").
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:42 (eight years ago) link
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/POV_character
A Dance with Dragons
Jon Snow - 13 chapters Tyrion Lannister - 12 chapters Daenerys Targaryen - 10 chapters Theon Greyjoy - 7 chapters Quentyn Martell - 4 chapters Davos Seaworth - 4 chapters Barristan Selmy - 4 chapters Asha Greyjoy - 3 chapters Bran Stark - 3 chapters Jon Connington - 2 chapters Cersei Lannister - 2 chapters Victarion Greyjoy - 2 chapters Arya Stark - 2 chapters Areo Hotah - 1 chapter Jaime Lannister - 1 chapter Melisandre - 1 chapter Varamyr Sixskins - 1 chapter (Prologue) Kevan Lannister - 1 chapter (Epilogue)
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:53 (eight years ago) link