Yeah early on I argued myself that just a little more desperation between the scene where he establishes his dedication as a father and the scene where is he burns his daughter alive would have helped. Not a huge criticism just figured it would have worked better.
― Evan, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
feel like theres an inherent unexamined tension between the legions of amateur plot experts and their constant refrain of this episode was bad
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
A certain kind of recapper is obsessed with proving, at great length, that plot developments he doesn't like are objectively bad storytelling.
― Continue your brooding monologue (Re-Make/Re-Model), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link
lag∞n otm
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link
yeah i mean to some extent we all think about things that way but hardening those views into some sort of empirical theory of plotcraft is just lame and anhedonian especially coming from ppl who clearly have no idea what the heck theyre talking abt
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
the av clubbing of criticism
wait hold on a sec
who are the legions of amateur plot experts forming an empirical theory of plotcraft? also can there be a spinoff show about them because it sounds like they're up to big things
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
various critics, various folks on this borad
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
theyre everywhere... including this thread... v spooky
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
yeah people should stop criticising the plot of got until they've made five seasons of game of thrones themselves
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link
perhaps you also shouldn't criticise plot critics until you've attempted to criticise a plot yourself
they should be burned alive
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
if only there was a way the common man could experience the plot of game of thrones and thus have an opinion on it
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
you all of course free to criticize the plot all you want
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
I'm trying to figure out if Stannis the Law Abider and Stannis the Religious Zealot are compatible, if being a Law Abider segues into buying wholesale into Melisandre or if there's a disconnect
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link
i'm just waiting for either stannis or roose bolton to kill each other, because there can't be two characters that look the same and hail from cold northern places and both participate in the throne game and are completely insane. enough is enough.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:15 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
come on, man, no one is making /that/ much of a hardline stance against criticism, no one is being dave eggers here telling ppl only writers can critique other writers
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
i don't think it's anhedonian really tbf - personally the decreased enjoyment comes first, then the wondering why - i hardly think it's a rare pov to think this season has kinda sucked. the show has always juggled the diff storylines p well albeit with an obvious difficulty of cramming so many arcs into 50 minutes or whatever. watching it this season it feels like it's finally got a bit too much for them.
xposts yeah slothrop i know nobody is being that bad, i'm kind of messing, but i guess if that's not what people are saying, i'm curious what variation of that it is. as i say - not too controversial to think this season has is kinda flawed.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
id just like to be able to talk abt a tv show on ilx from the perspective of watching it w/o the weird prosumer expert complex angle
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:23 (eight years ago) link
we shd def to an autoreplace for arc
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:24 (eight years ago) link
showrunner, trope, callback
thank god we're finally discussing the critics' critics' critics; was afraid this was gonna be about something stupid like the girl riding the dragon away into the sunset
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:25 (eight years ago) link
right on time
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
Stannis is from an island on the east coast.
wow - many xposts
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
i lol'd
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
― 龜, Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:17 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
feel like stannis has clearly made the decision to sacrifice rules for principles where they diverge and its causing him a lot of stress!
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link
poor stannis he's very stressed :(
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
needs 2 chill, davos shdve suggested just kicking back w a brew instead of attacking
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
also if I were the 20 dudes in the night i probably would have just burned stannis's tent
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:24 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean those terms do have their applications, but obviously are overused by numerous folks
i think there's a reasonable compromise to be reached between not criticizing stuff and criticizing it in a way that creates tablet-carved objective standards of What Televised Storytelling Is and What This Means to TV As A Whole And Society and all that shit - ideas which inherently involve so much subjectivity - and i'm not sure many critics do that well. (alan sepinwall is one of the few tv critics who can talk about that macro stuff w a sense of perspective while also being an incisive critic of scenes/performances/writing etc. others can do one or the other maybe usually not both.)
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link
feel like their strategy was pretty good except they didnt know stannis cld just sacrifice his daughter to fix everything xp
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
ramsay is dumb, prob stupidly holding out for some hope of getting to kill stannis in some public fashion to make his daddy love him
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
cldve just not known where stannis was too
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link
wish they would have shown some of the ramsay raid stuff, i'd much prefer that over whatever is happening in dorne
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
its sad that dorne wasnt cooler i was looking forward to dorne for years
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link
i liked her speech abt how incest was nbd in dorne tho, also when he got elbowed in the face, and when she dumped the wine out, the dornish seem like goos folks
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link
dorne kinda looks like a real ren faire in a way that the other ren faire-ish places in GoT don't
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link
like the jousting tournaments don't look like a ren faire jousting tournaments they just look like a jousting tournament? dorne is like, welcome to dorne try your luck with the wheel o fate for 2 farthings, and don't forget to try the lemonade
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link
as if this thread ever gets that detailed - like a few lines on plot among the discussions of the show itself hardly counts as everyone playing the critic - but even if it did, that would be what people were discussing. also maybe if this season wasn't so shit people would be more hyped to talk about it - like i don't recall much dissection of last week's ep cos it was good.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
little known GoT fact is that there is a guy chomping down on a giant turkeydog in every dorne scene, if you look closely
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
that was supposed to be turkeyleg but a turkeydog may be involved as well
dorne was basically just there for the mission we didnt really get to be immerced in dornish life like we had longed for
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
a turkeydog named torkdyg
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
stannis is about what he thinks is right rather than the law per se. if the two diverge he will go with the former. his spirit word is "should". the spiritual dimension of should is fate and all the mystical bullshit has dragged him too far in that direction so that should be king > shouldn't burn your kid alive.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link
Maybe the Dorne stuff was like the Braavos stuff in Season 4... we get a little taste of what the place is like, and perhaps later Dorne will become important to the core story. It may be the ideal place for a last stand against the walkers if it comes to that.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link
well said xp
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link
tbf it is warmer there even in winter i'd guess, that could maybe fuck w/ the walkers
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:50 (eight years ago) link
i don't think it's spoilery to say that the introduction of dorne and crew is not for nothing in the grand scheme but the way the show went about it was a bit more rub even than the way the books did. still i don't mind the dorne stuff, i like the flavour of it. i guess reading the books you are sort of trained to roll with weak tangents.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
Probalby should have been more scorpions to make it mor realistic
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
i liked dorne more when i thought that the people there would be similar in temperament to oberyn, but everyone else there seems to be permacranky.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:57 (eight years ago) link