Stannis is no different. He only assisted castle black due to the red priest lady influence. Otherwise he's still just trying to establish himself as king.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 15:19 (eight years ago) link
No, duty
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
I'm disappointed in everyone's lack of long-game ambitions. Clearly Stannis should be angling to become zombie snow king of the north.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link
he has the crazy-ass red-haired sorcerer mistress pedigree...
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link
I feel like there should be more magic in the show. If the people of Westeros know that magic is real, there would be a huge subculture who were all about that magic. They would easily be more powerful than the Sparrows. Plus, can't they bring people back to life? Seems like the family in power would capture some people who could bring their loved ones back to life.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
i think there have been indications that there wasn't much magic for a long time (coinciding with all the dragons dying) and now it's slowly beginning to reappear
― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
yup
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
economics eh not so sure about that
are you saying violence isn't tied into economics on this show or in general? because it 100 percent is in both...
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
after 5 seasons I have no idea how the economy in Westeros works apart from there being a bank that loaned the Lannisters a bunch of money. and the Lannisters have a goldmine that is empty.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
tyrells have the food
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link
I read a blog that described the outlines of how Littlefinger embezzled from KL but it turned out pretty boring.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link
I thought we clearly established it as a boobs & murder based economy
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
No Boobs For Oil!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link
lol
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
It's a murderers market right now.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
the economic elements havent really been fleshed out to the extent im assuming they are in the books but the point is an economy exists in a way it doesnt in say the lord of the rings
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
I don't think the show has pretenses of being enlightening wrt history/reality, the economic & religious elements just suspend disbelief a little. what sets the show apart is its storytelling, esp the big moments it builds towards which make things necessarily contrived. it's easy not to notice that this backward, beleaguered & enchanted world has inexplicably produced characters who are, with their secularism, haircuts & worldly fearlessness, not very different from us. the lack of difference comes I suppose from imagining people like yourself reacting to the setting rather than imagining how the setting might shape people. the idea of gritty realism is anachronistic & I can see why it might be jarring to have essentially modern characters committing medieval atrocities.
― ogmor, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:33 (eight years ago) link
Plus dragons and snow zombies, don't forget them!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:44 (eight years ago) link
I often wake up and wonder, hmm, how would I handle dragons and snow zombies? I think they would be very scary.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link
try to get them to fight each other def
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link
i think wolf hall does a really good job of contrasting a modern sensibility w/ a tudor sensibility
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link
yeah i'm reading it now it's great
― ogmor, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link
wolf hall is so good
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link
next she shd do one w dragons
if you paid even a little bit of attention to english history you would know that is coming up in book 3
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link
spoilers much ffs
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link
i have described wolf hall as being game of thrones w/o dragons to trick ppl into reading it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:15 (eight years ago) link
real talk i am still waiting for the wolfs
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:16 (eight years ago) link
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:16 (eight years ago) link
Speaking of which, where is Nymeria
― polyphonic, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
"without dragons" is a surefire way to get people not to read a book.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
Pretty sure she's waiting for the CGI wolf budget to get bolstered.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:19 (eight years ago) link
CGI wolf handler been waiting tables in the downtime.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:20 (eight years ago) link
But Wildfire burns forever and you can just setup a burning wall that the Wights can't get through. It all seems pretty smple to defeat them. They can't swim and there is a substance that will burn forever and keep them away. I must be missing something.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:34 (eight years ago) link
In the books, Nymeria is leading a pack of Boring Wolves (i.e. non-dire) somewhere in the Riverlands terrorizing the squares, and Arya occasionally experiences dream-visions from her doggeh's perspective.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link
is the wildfire they used to destroy the ships still burning then?
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link
Once wildfire takes fire, the substance will burn until it is no more. It will seep into most materials so that they take fire as well. Wildfire will burn even when floating on water, it is typically commissioned for use as a weapon of war, though alchemists will sometimes use wildfire torches as a display of power. The red priest, Thoros of Myr, fights with a sword covered in a thin layer of wildfire, which would burn for an hour.
Aside: For all of the poop people throw at GRRM's prose, I mean, it could be worse.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
so it doesnt burn forever you just cant put it out while it still has fuel left
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link
that makes no sense but ok
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link
there are things kinda like that irl actually
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link
fire is a process, not an element but forget it jake its westerostown rmde
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
wildfire is the name of the substance jeez
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link
if its just some highly combustible substance they've magically brewed up ok sure
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link
thats what is
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link
so - the more i look at that gif upthread from a few days ago – the more it looks like there's a dragon off in the distance.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
or maybe not. i dunno.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
Clearer screen shot here:http://www.projections-movies.com/images/petesdragon.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link
idk looks like a scarf
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:24 (eight years ago) link
the thing that bothered me is the fact that the Thenns shave their heads and don't wear hats. Looking at a map, they occupy the farthest north region with settlements, where presumably it is even colder than the wildling areas nearer the wall and the North of Westeros. All those people have hair, like as much hair as they can grow, and beards.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:31 (eight years ago) link
thenns r crazy man
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link