it was fine. ffs we know cersei gave him the mountain and there is a huge body on a slab occasionally moving shock scare comedy style and qyburn's done everything but lift it into the storm to be animated by lightning.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 12:20 (nine years ago) link
it's the fact we're discussing it that hints at a spoiler at all.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 12:24 (nine years ago) link
sure, they could have put that stuff on the screen for no reason at all
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 12:27 (nine years ago) link
not what i meant - i don't think anyway, to be honest i didn't follow your post.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 12:37 (nine years ago) link
Anyway, fine, I'm OK with being hyper-spoiler-sensitive.
Yeah, the white walker kids were where it went from "wow, this is a little Ray Harryhausen, a little Army of Darkness..." to JESUS CHRIST THAT IS TERRIFYING
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:00 (nine years ago) link
it was funny how long they took to attack - like kind of indulgent but they got away with it. a bit like the boat moving at snail's pace.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:02 (nine years ago) link
I think them waiting for a very specific time to attack is sort of the point - the night's king knows he has a massive and obvious advantage so there's an arrogant show of force vibe to it. the walkers are showy, I mean they slaughter people and then arrange the corpses to form giant occult symbols early in season 3 (the second time we see mance rayder in the series)
― rather than allowing the music to possess us like a sexy demon (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:19 (nine years ago) link
the moment at the end is also arrogant as fuck. "oh word, so one of you has one sword that can kill us? that's cute. now this is happening." *turns all the ppl his wights just killed into more wights*
― rather than allowing the music to possess us like a sexy demon (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:21 (nine years ago) link
ah i specifically meant the little kids - like they stood for ages looking at her, very slow compared to the frenzy of those happy little skeletons.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:23 (nine years ago) link
ohhh. word my bad. i could easily wrong but i thought those were somehow children she knew (not hers, they get on the boat afaict) like maybe another wildling family - if only bc the show has previously portrayed the wights seeking out familiar people and settings as targets, like the wight that attacks lord mormont - and maybe that was the reason for that sadistic pause
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:34 (nine years ago) link
*could easily BE wrong, jeez
did the books have a few pages about the undigested food that could be seen through the ribs of that little boy zombie?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:43 (nine years ago) link
Lemon cake that could be seen through his boiled leather clothing
― I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:47 (nine years ago) link
lol
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
Wait, that's Valyrian boiled leather
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
That scene with the four horsemen posted above reminded me of a famous painting or sculpture (picasso or dali?) that features a rough, skinny / angular looking horse. Seems like it's a sculpture in my mind but I thought about it during the scene and now again seeing the screenshot. Anybody know what i'm referring to?
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Donquixote.JPGpicasso quixote?http://www.theequinest.com/images/dali-horse.jpgdali's temptation of st anthony?
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
i was thinking of the Picasso but in my mind it was an actual metal sculpture. Thanks for the image/connection.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link
http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2015/quint/frazettadeathdealer2_big.jpg
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 9:34 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OK I'm seeing a lot of people read into this scene. Two main things are happening imo:
1) Horror movie trope of creepy children standing creepily for no real reason
2) They obviously worked quickly to establish that the wildling woman (Karsi) cares about the future of her children and the wildling children in general.
A) Jon mentions that their children will not have children of their own unless they join the south and this finally sways her.
B) She is specifically shown to be a mother (reinforces why she was convinced in the meeting) that cares deeply for the well being of her children.
After fighting very hard, the sudden sight of children as wights (in general) knocks the wind out of her because of the horrible future it represents for her own children and wildling children overall, and she is too emotionally broken to recover and perhaps even unable to bring herself to swing a blade at them. I don't think there's any reason to assume those particular children wights had any significance to her beyond that.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
sorry i feel like I wrote "children" a billion times in that post...
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:51 (nine years ago) link
it looks weird to me now
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:52 (nine years ago) link
thought the whole establishing a cool character so they have someone to kill to give the scene more weight while not actually killing anyone of consequence and also she gets killed because even tho shes a fierce warrior shes ALSO A MOM progression was kinda lame tbh
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:54 (nine years ago) link
http://t.qkme.me/3r5v79.jpg
― Mordy, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:55 (nine years ago) link
evan otm, that moment was powerfully self-explanatory to me, excellent storytelling of a kind I wish we could expect more often from these guys.
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:55 (nine years ago) link
― Evan, Tuesday, June 2, 2015 10:51 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
as a copyeditor i would have to flag you for excessive repetition
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:14 (nine years ago) link
it kind of bums me out that jon snow can't die. there are several good supporting characters in the wall/north of the wall, but if he was taken out, but if he died it would just fall apart. kind of takes some of the tension out of the apocalyptic zombie battle, although i guess there's always the possibility that tormund will die.
/whinycomplaints/
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link
I loved the episode and the following isn't a huge concern of mine, but I think preferred the mystery of the white walkers prior to both this episode and the episode way back where the baby gets transformed via the icy finger poke.
I thought the white walkers were much more horrifying when they felt more like this empty, evil, humanoid force of nature that was just pushing south precariously along with the coming winter, like an unstoppable storm mindlessly pushing forward. But with these two particular scenes (especially this last one), with their outfits/gear and facial expressions/interactions, they're being painted as yet another rival culture looking to gain control, more literally human-like in motivation than merely supernatural-force-with-human-form with no real goal than just the compulsion to envelop life.
Just an observation, not a real protest.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
can someone explain to me quickly how the high septon suddenly has enough power to imprison the king's mother, wife and brother-in-law without any resistance
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
i'm kinda with you evan, although i'm hopeful that there will be occasional glimpses into the white walker's world that add more mystery and terror. like maybe there's a realization that the white walkers are just the most visible edge of whatever hellish cult is way up north?
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
Evan and Jordan both otm
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link
I was a bit disappointed not to get white spiders the size of hounds.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
with no real goal than just the compulsion to envelop life.
understand what you're saying in general but thats still p much exactly what they are, they've merely revealed now that the walkers happen to possess rudimentary vicious emotions
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link
totalitarian death cults can organize politically too!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 2, 2015 11:30 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a lot of it turns on the fact that the king is an ineffectual child who doesnt understand how to wield power, cearsi was using the kings power by proxy so that explains the wife and brother in law getting locked up part, then the high septon just sort of took her under that precedent, and since she alienated all potential allies and the king is in his room depressed shes stuck, it speaks more to a power vacuum than the sparrows having any real power imho, and will likely conclude with the tyrells seizing the iron throne since they have actual resources
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link
tho i guess theres a larger show wide theme of religion gaining in strength too as winter appraoches
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
the natural loser in that trend would be secularism as embodied by the lanisters
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:51 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OP93UmgcfI
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Peasants'_War
― Mordy, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
can someone explain to me quickly how the high septon suddenly has enough power to imprison the king's mother, wife and brother-in-law without any resistance― J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 2, 2015
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
yeah the power vacuum thing scans for me but the whole "the king is too depressed in his room to do anything" thing for me really stretches the imagination
i mean basically anyone who would do anything has left king's landing but still, with everything we've seen and been told about king's guard throughout the series it's hard for me to believe that there wouldn't be an all out war happening
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
the septon plot would be way more convincing and satisfying if they would have spent a little more time building it up in seasons 1-4. they way it emerged powerfully this season over a few episodes makes it feel like a throwaway sidearc a la about a quarter of all battlestar galactica episodes. i'm still having trouble convincing myself that it's important enough to pay attention to even as they seize power and throw major characters into dungeons.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
everyone hates cearsi and the tyrells are working toward political rather than violent solution is m/l what it comes down to
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 11:42 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah but what I mean is they seemed to possess a mindless momentum, but now it is clear they actually strategize etc.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:10 (nine years ago) link
It was mentioned that Kevan was back, and earlier in the season he didn't really seem to like the way Cersei was running things. I'm guessing he would be able to get her out if he really wanted to, but it's probably easier to try to fix things while she is out of the way.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:10 (nine years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 2, 2015 12:06 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well cearsi also convinced him that if he tried to free marjorie the religious fanatics wld kill her so its not like hes not doing it just because hes sad
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:11 (nine years ago) link
i'm sure this will be addressed shortly but is varys still waiting for tyrion to finish pissing?seems like he pretty likely would've gotten to dwagonqueen by now and maybe that would've come up while those guys were drinking given tyrion's oblique "this great honest man directed me here, fuck if i know where he got off to"
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:14 (nine years ago) link
the whole dang royal familes in the relgious dungeons a p cool plot imo in that its very ~psychological~ tho i do agree w zach that it feels a lil rushed
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
It actually would be pretty funny if Kevan made some kind of alliance with the Tyrells and that their condition for backing him was that Cersei remain in prison. Basically everything currently is going great in King's Landing (Margery and Loras out of prison, the Sparrows are taken care of) but they just kept that one nun to go ask Cersei to confess from time to time.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
the White Walker 'kings' have always appeared to have had strategic thinking, haven't they? Their growing zombified army of wites have looked to be a mindless hoard - controlled to some extent by the Walkers, presumably.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link