can the modern american left genuinely claim to be anti-racist?

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"I promise the American public a policeman on every corner and an abortion in every pot!"

I don't think pot is covered :(

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahahaha

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

No, I know it's not *true*, but it's still what the law says. I can't remember the exact wording, but two doctors have to agree that the health or wellbeing of either the woman or foetus would be seriously harmed if the pregnancy were to proceed.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Out of curiosity, are abortions covered by any existing private health insurance in the U.S.? I'm guessing not, on the basis that they're elective. (Although maybe if a doctor recommends it for medical reasons?)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Out of curiosity, are abortions covered by any existing private health insurance in the U.S.?

none that i'm aware of. most ob/gyns won't even do them.

100% WJE (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

one negative thing about publically subsidized health insurance is that it gives the government a chance to further politicize an already right-skewing health-care system. the vast majority of ob/gyns won't do tubal ligation, won't do aids testing (even though they test for other STDs), and a lot of private insurers won't cover the cost of birth control. it's really impressive how sexist it all is.

100% WJE (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Yup. The same way it happens w/foreign aid, the Republicans cutting aid to family planning programs and clinics in Africa, Asia, etc. (Another difference between the parties, if anyone's keeping a scorecard.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmm, that 'wellbeing' thing is presumably the dodge that gets it through.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the vast majority of ob/gyns won't do AIDS testing?!?!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

cuz i'm getting hired off full-time, i'm in the process of filling out med benefit paperwork, and this shit is complicated enough w/o throwing that "health savings acct" shit on top. fuck, i don't make enough to save anything as it is, i sure as shit don't have anything to dump into a dedicated med acct.

I think this is why i still don't have a 401k of any sort.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

i liked this thread more when it was paranoid schizophrenics calling me white trash

_, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

It couldn't last.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

give 'em a bit; typing up one of those posts probably takes time

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.pigglywiggly.com/mfy/templates/pigglywiggly/images/MrPigSteppin_AN.gif

_, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

What the fuck happened, I go to a goddamn meeting and this breaks out again? Damnit.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i am disconsolate that that pig is not rockin' it porky pig style.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't think I don't know what you were talking about in that meeting "Allyzay." You and your little German friend can talk all you like behind my back but don't think for one minute that I don't know what's really going on here.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Tracer, if it makes you feel better, I'm rockin it porky pig style.

Allyzay Ivy League Gangster (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Allyzay und ihr Schwanzfreund

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, does "Schwanzfreund" mean what I think it means??? Because EW.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

It better NOT mean what it literally means.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Then where's the fun in that!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link


Read the fucking blog.

Don't be such a snotty bitch.

I demand an evaluation of the entire thing, my entire life.

You give me a hearing and get back to me, you snotty little bitch.

I have proof. Tell me you don't believe me - I dare you.

I want you ball-less shitheads to tell me to my face that I am a paranoid schizophrenic who is lying about 'attempted murder'.

I give other people a fair shake, and that is documented.

You give me a fair shake and evaluate the whole damn thing, and all of my usenet posts going back to 1996 and everything I've written....and then tell me I have no credibility whatsoever.

Oh, and this is what got me a death sentence:

http://homepage.mac.com/dymaxia

Yeah, really looks like the rantings of a 'crazy person'.

I wasn't pissed off on ilx till about two days ago, and that is a documented fact.

It's not my fault the current Chicago ilx crop don't know me. I was stalked and harassed so bad, and I nearly died when someone sabotaged my bike that I went into hiding after that...and all of those people showed up later.

Got anymore cowardly sniping?

Or will you finally show some fucking class and quit libeling me until you've given me a fair hearing.

'Cos you're acting just like the 'socialites' in high school did.

I've been putting this together since 2002. You think it came out of nowhere? I have a track record for being lucid and rational, and you vain identity thieves keep embarrassing yourselves by not giving me a fair hearing.

That's right - 'cos the blackballers' tactic is to eye-roll and never engage the blackballed directly.

Crazy. Yeah, right. Crazy is what got me through Northwestern.

Oh go roll your eyes some more, you libeling whore.

You don't want me to post more of my 'paranoid schizophrenic' rants?

Then don't act like a pampered, eye-rolling immature bitch. And don't appropriate people's identities unless you can master their styles and personalities.

You think I'm acting irrationally? I saw this coming two years ago. Please, bitch.

simian (dymaxia), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link


Identity theft?

Oh yeah - there was an entire board dedicated to it on LUSENET.

And there's a track record of it here, too.

And you know where it started....USENET.

I saw it there, it's documented there, so why shouldn't I believe you're doing the same thing here?

That's not implausible either, and you know it.

Write something articulate - prove you're worthy of your education, or shut the fuck up about me FOREVER.

simian (dymaxia), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link


And while you're at it, you smug stalking bitches....your assignment tonight is to do research on people who infiltrated or otherwise 'ministered' the the Klan.

I want to see articulate paragraphs about it tomorrow.

'Cos you all seem to be in agreement that former membership in or association with the Klan is grounds for permanently labeling someone a 'racist'...and that is verifiably FALSE - something for which you've offered no defense.

There we go - we're back on topic now, aren't we. Oh, but let's not talk about our own idiocies about racism....let's eye-roll some more to deflect from our own ignorance.

simian (dymaxia), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

The TV (I am watching Lost) is sending me messages. We have just found out that the person calling himself 'Ethan' is not who we thought! We don't know what he is, but it's something dead sinister!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

http://j-walkblog.com/old/images/marissa5.jpg

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

(i heart jon williams more and more every day)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link


Gee...that Marissa sure looks familiar, doesn't it?

Oh yeah, it's just my paranoid schizophrenic crazy Irish imagination again.

But about the Ku Klux Klan.....and about how we should never take Robert Byrd's actual words and voting record into consideration.

simian (dymaxia), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Bbbbut what does this have to do with anything discussed upthread! Quit being so self centered!

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I demand an evaluation...of my entire life

:):):)

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.mackron.com/random/fingergirl.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link


O God, strengthen them, strengthen Islam and Muslims, strengthen them. O God, give success and mercy to the nation of Muhammad.

O God, put pressure on them and their supporters. O God, help the Muslims' leaders support Islam and liberate Al-Aqsa Mosque, strengthen them. O God, spare Muslims of the plots that are being hatched against them. O God, extend support to them, make them steadfast and strengthen their hearts. O God, disappoint the criminal Zionists, destroy the fanatic pagans. O God, support the mujahidin in Palestine and elsewhere. O God, avenge for your faithful subjects. O God, destroy the Zionist aggressors. O God, disperse their assemblies, prevent them from committing aggression against your servants, freeze the blood in their veins, deal with these criminals for they are within your power.

O God, strengthen Islam and Muslims. O God, destroy your enemies, the enemies of Islam. O God, destroy the tyrannical Crusaders, destroy the aggressor Americans. O God, destroy the tyrannical Crusaders. O God, unleash your might on them for the sake of the blood of the innocent children.

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

paranoid personality disorder

don't hate on the mentally ill, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there an acceptable political stance to take w/r/t race?

Dan I., Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

i love fingergirl.jpg so so much

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

The belief that those who receive the greatest benefit from society should give back the most is a liberal value.

True, but it's interesting to note that the rich paid more under Reagan.

http://www.presidentreagan.info/share.cfm

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, just happening to miss out on the mid-80s, when Reagan's ("Reagan's") stunning vision for taxation had the upper-middle class paying more than the upper class itself.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

True, but it's interesting to note that the rich paid more under Reagan.

I can't fully debunk that site's numbers after a casual look, but the first thing that pops out at me is that those look like figures for the income tax only. Since the income tax system is set up to be progressive, one way that Republicans make taxes more regressive is by cutting capital gains taxes or cutting (and now attempting to eliminate) estate taxes. Since the very wealthy make most of their money as capital gains rather than straight income, this blurs the picture a bit.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm in the process of filling out med benefit paperwork, and this shit is complicated enough w/o throwing that "health savings acct" shit on top.

haha good thing you're not applying for medicare now with all the changes that are taking place to the plan(s)! i'm learning all about the new medicare drug benefit for a project i'm involved with; it's seriously complicated shit, and there are something like 46 different plans to choose from, each with its own set of rules, premiums, deductibles, penalties, formularies, cost tiers. and if the applicants don't make the right decision, they may be screwed out of money, time, services, or appropriate medicines.

100% WJE (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

how can we be data-mining simian when her posts don't turn up on a search??? maybe there's something to this after all!

lara resnick, Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:18 (eighteen years ago) link

the election was swung to bush in ohio by black republican voters.

I haven't read this whole thread yet, but I have to respond to this because it is such utter bullshit. Ethan, I spent the week after the 2004 election examining the Ohio election results ('cause I, you know, live here) and "black republican voters" had precisely NOTHING to do with the swing to Bush. Bush won in Ohio because of a huge rural county (read: white) turnout, which in itself was inspired largely by the presence of an anti-gay measure on the top of the ballot supported by ass-backwards rural preachers.

Oh, and if what you mean by 'black republican voters' is Ken Blackwell . . . well, there's only one of him, and I can flat-out guarantee you that he won't be elected governor in 2006 no matter what evangelical ass he kisses. There are a lot of real black-men-are-coming-to-rape-your-women racists in Ohio and they all vote Republican, but they sure as hell aren't going to vote for Ken Blackwell. I'm sympathetic to the thrust of your viewpoint on this thread, but you make it really hard to take anything seriously when you pull shit like this out of your ass.

J (Jay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah plus anyway, like, voter fraud, dude.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I know who simian is, and actually a lot of you do as well. She's an old-timer under a different name. I don't know what she's talking about, though.

J (Jay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

don't worry, no one does.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

That makes me feel a little worse, actually, but thanks stence.

J (Jay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I know who simian is, and actually a lot of you do as well. She's an old-timer under a different name.

i gathered that when i clicked "show all details." (omg datamining)

100% WJE (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Did anyone here see John Edwards on the Daily Show tonight and if so what did you think of what he said about poverty and does it relate to the issues discussed on this thread?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought Edwards was pretty good, better than he usually was during the campaign. And it reinforced whatever I said above about the Kerry-Edwards ticket being a respectable liberal ticket. They didn't run a great campaign, but those guys don't deserve the utter derision and dismissal they tend to receive from people bemoaning the absence of a real American left. I mean, it all depends on what you realistically expect from mainstream politicians, but I got no beef with Edwards' poverty center.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:55 (eighteen years ago) link


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