well i don't mind engaging to a point about things i've personally written, but whether gawker is an ethical company or something is not a discussion i feel the need to participate in
― J0rdan S., Monday, 18 May 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link
then don't
― da croupier, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
im not
― J0rdan S., Monday, 18 May 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
i agree with da croupier.
you don't have a responsibility to respond, j0rdan. sorry if you felt like i and others were "grilling" you.
― Treeship, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
buuuut the question of gawker's ethics is important for people who care about american media, i feel, especially in the era of the decline of trad newspapers
― Treeship, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
i didnt know croups worked for spotify, nice gig :-)
― flopson, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
Jordan mate. go and have a lie down. You're posting on a message board about how your company doesn't need you defending it on message boards. This never ends well.
― Position Position, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
haha omg if i was an accountant on spotify i would have zero web presence
― da croupier, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
accountant for spotify, i mean. the last thing i'd want is all you needlers asking me wtf is going on there
― da croupier, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
If you guys want to look into ethics in American media there are plenty of places to start that aren't websites based on gossip. Maybe everybody forgot NYTimes cheerleading us into the Iraq.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 May 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link
yeah no one on ilx ever criticizes the MSM for their compliance in administrative abuses of power
― Mordy, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link
Alright I'm going to leave this thread to you guys, you seem to be in such a great mood.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 May 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link
bye Adam!
― Treeship, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
― Position Position, Monday, May 18, 2015 1:18 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol how did this get turned around so jordan is the one accused of being aggy
u guys harassed him til he answered, then harassed him about his answer, then harassed him for bothering to answer at all
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:09 (nine years ago) link
i guess treesh is the only one who managed the hat trick but
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
it's called 'a treship'
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
i don't know one way or the other obv but louis' standup material about women is usually the weakest part of his set. there's a confounding big-upping of stereotypes that you don't see him indulge in with other subjects.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link
We're supposed to pity a Gawker writer for being harassed? That's a good one.
― Position Position, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link
I think we shld turn our ire against some site no one here writes for, then we won't have to fret about feelings
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
fighting with gawker writers abt what theyve written is an ilx genre with so much potential... and yet
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/29ge32/big-time-in-hollywood--fl-the-pitch
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link
― Position Position, Monday, May 18, 2015 2:26 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
who said anything about pity? you arent doing a good job of measuring the temperature in the room
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
Question question? Sarcasm sarcasm.
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
hardon 4 gawker is such a pathetic ilx stance I can't even
― thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
is shrill outrage at it any less pathetic?
― flopson, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
lol "shrill"
― Mordy, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
don't u tone police me :p
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/images/0802/Shrill-HRC.gif
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
i'm getting 77 autogoon keepin' it negative dickhole zing posse vibes from the way the argument is breaking down here
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
classic
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
shrieking round the kitchen rite now temperature in the room is thru the roof
― thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, May 18, 2015 9:04 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
dud
― time trafel 2015 💨 2012 (wins), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
>_<
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
i obv have no idea who the 77 autogoon crew is bc i was sure it was deej, some dude, whiney and jordan
― Mordy, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
feel like journalistic ethics is something thats often seen as having rules when really it barely has principles
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, May 18, 2015 2:50 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that wasn't sarcasm! i said he isn't doing a good job
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
thought the doubling made my position position clear clear
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
lag00n, that's the kind of thing that i think depends on who you're working with? i've had editors who were super intense about things like adequate sourcing, getting comments from the accused, etc. i once worked briefly on a possible sex offender case - someone was accusing a teacher at a local school of acting inappropriately with at least one of his underage high school students. unfortunately i couldn't get anyone to go on the record - the accuser stopped cooperating with the story, the victim wouldn't talk, etc. my editor wouldn't let me run it. i think that was the right decision. nb this was a private citizen and so maybe gawker would argue that the standard of evidence should be higher than for a celebrity, but i really don't know.
― Mordy, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
yeah i meant like universal rules, obvs individuals and publications may be more prescriptive, even then tho it can get pretty abstract fast
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
interestinganecdotes tho! wld read more
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link
there are some universal rules -- this is a good place to start:http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
obv it's not like being a doctor. you don't have to take an oath to start writing news.
― Mordy, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
xp fyi ILX house style is to put a space between two words
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
i heard this story about LCK last year from a pretty close friend, the victims were named, and were known personally to the person telling me, and the way it was told to me made it seem pretty credible. IDK if it's something he did more than once to various women. If the victims don't want to be named so that they can not get jobs and have their personal details dug up and waved around by MRA types then they absolutely should not have to be named. (and no I am not emailing anyone any details beyond what I just wrote).
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link
― Mordy, Monday, May 18, 2015 4:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
those are all principles tho! which are great but get murky fast irl situations, which is not to say theyre not useful
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:24 (nine years ago) link
gawker aside whatever I feel like part of the umbrage here is due to it being about everyone's favorite bro's bro
― he sounds like a parrot eating a carrot (Crabbits), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
Time to update the blog xxp
― Realhiphopshire (sleepingbag), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
also gtfo with "if it was a murder accusation they would wait for full substantiation" gee I wonder if there's an evidential difference between murder and sexual assault? When was the last time a corpse falsely claimed to have been murdered?
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
it's been v fun to troll lck fans on social media tho so that's been a nice outlet for all my imp of the perverse
― he sounds like a parrot eating a carrot (Crabbits), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link
feel like hes more every frustrated awkward mans frustrated awkward man but the point stands
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link
some paragon for why standup comedy is GREAT and TRUE and PULLS THE SCALES OFF OUR EYES
― he sounds like a parrot eating a carrot (Crabbits), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link