"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

Annoyingly the finale is not scheduled until May 13th.

Oh wait I misread Lostpedia and thought there were only 13 episodes this season with a monthlong break between 12 and 13. Nevermind. Wow there's still a lot of this season left to go.

hah, I did the same thing as you when I checked the episode guides.. tricksy Lostpedia

bwahahahah that "WALT!" video giving me major LIRL

"I'm pretty sure we've seen kids killed on Lost before haven't we? I seem to remember there being some pretty brutal stuff in the first Eko episode."

black on black violence in foreign country = less outrage from ned flanders than iraqi torture assassin shooting american harry potter in the chest.
got to give props to whatever faceless Disney exec gave the thumbs up for them to do this.

I don't think that any kids were killed in Eko's flashbacks - the gangsters just had Eko kill an adult in front of his/"for" his little brother.

watched last week's episode again, and i'm wondering if the mess that Frank and Sun find at the docks/dharmaville isn't a result of the original events of the past being changed. if it's 2007 for them, shouldn't all those dharma signs be taken down by now, if the Others have been living there for years at that point? I think the 1977'ers have fucked something up and changes the future in a major way...

changeD

oh and 'truth serum thing' - ie the LSD - was TOTALLY AWESOME.

"YOU'VE GIVEN ME JUST THE RRIGHT AMOUNTT!"

yeah I loved that part. Billie Holiday on the Victrola as they walked up to the teepee was a great scene setter

i'm wondering if the mess that Frank and Sun find at the docks/dharmaville isn't a result of the original events of the past being changed

my wife had the same thought/theory

and I thought "wait there is NO WAY that no one ever noticed Hurley in the 1977 yearbook photo, that must have appeared out of thin air after the fact"

this theory reminds me of the changing paintings in the first (only?) miles flashback

The Dharma Submarine Welcome center is not the same place as the Barracks, right? Because that was shown to be in a valley nowhere near the water in the SSN3 opener. So its possible the Others let that center that Sun and Frank go into with Christian languish since it was not part of the main community they started living in after the Purge.

no they definitely used it - it's where Juliet arrived and where Locke blew up the sub etc. I think it's reasonably close to the Barracks.

Yeah, they still used it as a sub station--but I think they were only over there when Locke blew up the sub because Jack & Juliet were supposed to be leaving the next morning.

the last time we saw the barracks smokey had just rampaged through, right? so it'd be a mess. as for whether those pictures have always been there, we don't know enough yet, do we?

If you think about the fact that Sayid and Eko have had such a similar flashback - Eko killing the man "for" his brother Yemi, Sayid killing the chicken "for" his brother - I wonder if the writers had planned to have Eko in the prominent role Sayid's found himself in now... IIRC he was only killed off because AAA wanted off the show.

I am pretty sure that the barracks & welcome centre are far-ish from each other, otherwise we would have seen that office when Locke & Sawyer took over New Otherton.

if Sayid is to die then Smokey killing him would seem quite likely

How does smokey kill -- does it just inflict mortal wounds, or does it drag people down to its spider hole to be turned into podpeople zombies?

There seem to be 3 distinct types of resurrection the island can administer:

1. non-invasive healing (locke)
2. pod-zombie (french crew, christian)
3. fifth-dimensional superbeings that only crazy people can see (jacob, ana lucia)

For 2 to happen, smokey has to get you?
For 3 to happen, you have to be buried on the island (island worms are responsible?)

So was Mr. Eko dragged to a pit, or did he die from mortal wounds? Since he came back as a 5D-superghost, it looks like he was buried?

Smokey killed Eko by slamming him against a tree and dropping him. he was then buried by Locke and co iirc.

when did Eko come back? I don't remember that - or was he in the "lift up your eyes and look north" or whatever Locke episode?

don't think he came back except as a hurley inviso-hallucination

yes 5dimensional superghost = inviso-hallucination
now that jin can speak english, this opens the possibility that hurley's "have a nice clucking day" dream-episode where jin speaks english is actually time traveling superghost jin (who is not bound by space or time) messing with hurley.

it doesn't open it that much

A MAN CAN DREAM...
also holding out hope that brother mouzone from the wire will avenge daniels' death. there was no need for ben to do him like that.

I will sign on with all of these fine ideas

OMG Brother Mouzone would be incredible in Lost. He and Ben would just deadpan each other to death.

I don't think they can do too much with re-arranged timelines without seriously fucking up the chronology of the show and they seem to be trying to avoid that. Maybe the reason no one noticed the Namaste picture is just that none of the survivors had been in that house before?

yeah maybe. and the dock could definitely just be messed up from when Locke blew up the sub (which is what I thought when I was watching the episode).

nah we saw them witness the explosion which took out just the sub.

i just assumed the destruction was down to keamy and co.

Maybe the reason no one noticed the Namaste picture is just that none of the survivors had been in that house before?

Sawyer's group probably went in there, I just imagine that it was hidden in plain sight so to speak.

There's a weird apocalyptic feel to the present day island - place is totally trashed and it seems like there's hardly anyone there.

This so reminds me of:

http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/shining-foto-thumb.jpg

x-post Well, it's true that no one would be there-- the 815ers are mostly in 1977, the Others abandoned the Barracks, the paramilitary guys are toast. I'll need a little more weirdness before I start thinking the 316ers are in an alternate timeline.

heh, in that picture the guy just up and to the right of Jack looks like "Phil" from the Dharma Initiative.

Ooh, y'all. I like where this is going.

yawn. juice box.

yeah, there was nothing really intense or urgent enough about this ep.

What, you people are crazy. This episode was all about the funs, with a little bit of resolution. Myles and Hurley conversation = A+++

The Ben Linus theme this week into next is like television candy for me, as well.

kate is soooooooooo stupid

nah in her stupidity kate did exactly what she was supposed to do. i normally hate kate episodes but quite liked this one, even though her scenes with aaron are still cringe-y.

didn't like the "ben will forget this happened" bit though, would've been ten times better if everything he did as an adult was because he already knew who the castaways were in his past.

so you go into the temple, you come out as an Other?

Myles and Hurley conversation = A+++

^^^and this.

also lol i like nu-douchebag jack better than old douchebag jack - dude's such an asshole.

also lol i like nu-douchebag jack better than old douchebag jack - dude's such an asshole.

YES. I love the symmetry of Jack and "Sawyer" changing places as the series moves from one end to the other. Would not be surprised to see James doing something heroic at the end, the way Jack took charge in episode 01-01.

ditto on lovin' neo-douchebag, grunge-listening, finally-realizing-that-Kate-is-just-selfish-and-manipulative Jack

I know some people are suspecting a Sawyer death this season, but I really think he's around til the end now....for the exact reasons WmC mentioned above.

I still think Sayid is going to be the S5 death.

Sayid really serves zero purpose at this point, right?

I mean, if his purpose was to shoot 12yo Ben and 12yo doesn't die but does become an Other, then purpose served.

yeah death seems more likely to be sayid's now. :( i wanted to see him do his requisite 10 mins of ass-kicking per season in S6.