There's a difference between reading spoilers somewhere and accurately speculating about what's going to happen next based on what we've already been shown.
Are we supposed to not think about the origin of the 4 toed statue until the show gets around to telling us about it?
― President Keyes, Friday, 27 March 2009 14:30 (fifteen years ago) link
i dunno... sometimes the show foreshadows events quite a bit and i don't think it takes away much from the viewing experience if you predict what happens (which is different also from reading spoilers and watching it afterwards). I missed the foreshadowing in this episode mainly because i was already comfortable with the "whatever happened, happened" rule - i thought sayid might try to kill ben but that something would happen to stop it (someone would interrupt or the gun would jam etc.). xp
― Roz, Friday, 27 March 2009 14:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Even I predicted this and I watch with my brain switched off mostly. "Ben is a monster"---> "I know what I'm here to do" after being left alone with Ben... Well, I knew he would attempt to kill him - I've no idea what this might lead to now. I guess like with everyone in Lost (and every other TV show or movie ever) if we don't see his dying breath, we can presume he's not dead.
Truth serum thing was stupid. Although I did love Sayid giggling away on it. I don't quite get why Sawyer thought this was an OK alternative - surely if Sayid had spilled everything, he and Juliet would have a lot to lose?
― Not the real Village People, Friday, 27 March 2009 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Sawyer didn't think it was an okay alternative. He just didn't have any choice cuz Sayid wouldn't try to escape (then.)
― Alex in SF, Friday, 27 March 2009 23:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Annoyingly the finale is not scheduled until May 13th.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 27 March 2009 23:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh wait I misread Lostpedia and thought there were only 13 episodes this season with a monthlong break between 12 and 13. Nevermind. Wow there's still a lot of this season left to go.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 27 March 2009 23:33 (fifteen years ago) link
hah, I did the same thing as you when I checked the episode guides.. tricksy Lostpedia
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Saturday, 28 March 2009 13:23 (fifteen years ago) link
bwahahahah that "WALT!" video giving me major LIRL
― look at you: lookin' like a lobster (tpp), Saturday, 28 March 2009 14:00 (fifteen years ago) link
"I'm pretty sure we've seen kids killed on Lost before haven't we? I seem to remember there being some pretty brutal stuff in the first Eko episode."
black on black violence in foreign country = less outrage from ned flanders than iraqi torture assassin shooting american harry potter in the chest.got to give props to whatever faceless Disney exec gave the thumbs up for them to do this.
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 28 March 2009 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think that any kids were killed in Eko's flashbacks - the gangsters just had Eko kill an adult in front of his/"for" his little brother.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Saturday, 28 March 2009 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link
watched last week's episode again, and i'm wondering if the mess that Frank and Sun find at the docks/dharmaville isn't a result of the original events of the past being changed. if it's 2007 for them, shouldn't all those dharma signs be taken down by now, if the Others have been living there for years at that point? I think the 1977'ers have fucked something up and changes the future in a major way...
― mikebee (BATTAGS), Saturday, 28 March 2009 21:16 (fifteen years ago) link
changeD
― mikebee (BATTAGS), Saturday, 28 March 2009 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link
oh and 'truth serum thing' - ie the LSD - was TOTALLY AWESOME.
"YOU'VE GIVEN ME JUST THE RRIGHT AMOUNTT!"
― mikebee (BATTAGS), Saturday, 28 March 2009 21:18 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah I loved that part. Billie Holiday on the Victrola as they walked up to the teepee was a great scene setter
i'm wondering if the mess that Frank and Sun find at the docks/dharmaville isn't a result of the original events of the past being changed
my wife had the same thought/theory
― dmr, Sunday, 29 March 2009 00:07 (fifteen years ago) link
and I thought "wait there is NO WAY that no one ever noticed Hurley in the 1977 yearbook photo, that must have appeared out of thin air after the fact"
― dmr, Sunday, 29 March 2009 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link
this theory reminds me of the changing paintings in the first (only?) miles flashback
― abanana, Sunday, 29 March 2009 00:29 (fifteen years ago) link
The Dharma Submarine Welcome center is not the same place as the Barracks, right? Because that was shown to be in a valley nowhere near the water in the SSN3 opener. So its possible the Others let that center that Sun and Frank go into with Christian languish since it was not part of the main community they started living in after the Purge.
― President Keyes, Sunday, 29 March 2009 01:44 (fifteen years ago) link
no they definitely used it - it's where Juliet arrived and where Locke blew up the sub etc. I think it's reasonably close to the Barracks.
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Sunday, 29 March 2009 11:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, they still used it as a sub station--but I think they were only over there when Locke blew up the sub because Jack & Juliet were supposed to be leaving the next morning.
― President Keyes, Sunday, 29 March 2009 12:17 (fifteen years ago) link
the last time we saw the barracks smokey had just rampaged through, right? so it'd be a mess. as for whether those pictures have always been there, we don't know enough yet, do we?
― ilx robot (jergins), Sunday, 29 March 2009 12:24 (fifteen years ago) link
If you think about the fact that Sayid and Eko have had such a similar flashback - Eko killing the man "for" his brother Yemi, Sayid killing the chicken "for" his brother - I wonder if the writers had planned to have Eko in the prominent role Sayid's found himself in now... IIRC he was only killed off because AAA wanted off the show.
I am pretty sure that the barracks & welcome centre are far-ish from each other, otherwise we would have seen that office when Locke & Sawyer took over New Otherton.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Sunday, 29 March 2009 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link
if Sayid is to die then Smokey killing him would seem quite likely
― Local Garda, Sunday, 29 March 2009 16:22 (fifteen years ago) link
How does smokey kill -- does it just inflict mortal wounds, or does it drag people down to its spider hole to be turned into podpeople zombies?
There seem to be 3 distinct types of resurrection the island can administer:
1. non-invasive healing (locke)2. pod-zombie (french crew, christian) 3. fifth-dimensional superbeings that only crazy people can see (jacob, ana lucia)
For 2 to happen, smokey has to get you?For 3 to happen, you have to be buried on the island (island worms are responsible?)
So was Mr. Eko dragged to a pit, or did he die from mortal wounds? Since he came back as a 5D-superghost, it looks like he was buried?
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 March 2009 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Smokey killed Eko by slamming him against a tree and dropping him. he was then buried by Locke and co iirc.
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Sunday, 29 March 2009 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
when did Eko come back? I don't remember that - or was he in the "lift up your eyes and look north" or whatever Locke episode?
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Sunday, 29 March 2009 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link
don't think he came back except as a hurley inviso-hallucination
― Roz, Sunday, 29 March 2009 17:21 (fifteen years ago) link
yes 5dimensional superghost = inviso-hallucinationnow that jin can speak english, this opens the possibility that hurley's "have a nice clucking day" dream-episode where jin speaks english is actually time traveling superghost jin (who is not bound by space or time) messing with hurley.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 March 2009 17:36 (fifteen years ago) link
it doesn't open it that much
― Local Garda, Sunday, 29 March 2009 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link
A MAN CAN DREAM...also holding out hope that brother mouzone from the wire will avenge daniels' death. there was no need for ben to do him like that.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 March 2009 17:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I will sign on with all of these fine ideas
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Sunday, 29 March 2009 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link
OMG Brother Mouzone would be incredible in Lost. He and Ben would just deadpan each other to death.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 29 March 2009 19:09 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think they can do too much with re-arranged timelines without seriously fucking up the chronology of the show and they seem to be trying to avoid that. Maybe the reason no one noticed the Namaste picture is just that none of the survivors had been in that house before?
― Matt DC, Sunday, 29 March 2009 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah maybe. and the dock could definitely just be messed up from when Locke blew up the sub (which is what I thought when I was watching the episode).
― dmr, Sunday, 29 March 2009 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link
nah we saw them witness the explosion which took out just the sub.
i just assumed the destruction was down to keamy and co.
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Sunday, 29 March 2009 19:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Maybe the reason no one noticed the Namaste picture is just that none of the survivors had been in that house before?
Sawyer's group probably went in there, I just imagine that it was hidden in plain sight so to speak.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Sunday, 29 March 2009 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link
There's a weird apocalyptic feel to the present day island - place is totally trashed and it seems like there's hardly anyone there.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 29 March 2009 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
This so reminds me of:
http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/shining-foto-thumb.jpg
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 29 March 2009 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link
x-post Well, it's true that no one would be there-- the 815ers are mostly in 1977, the Others abandoned the Barracks, the paramilitary guys are toast. I'll need a little more weirdness before I start thinking the 316ers are in an alternate timeline.
― President Keyes, Sunday, 29 March 2009 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link
heh, in that picture the guy just up and to the right of Jack looks like "Phil" from the Dharma Initiative.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 30 March 2009 01:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Ooh, y'all. I like where this is going.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:10 (fifteen years ago) link
yawn. juice box.
― cutty, Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:27 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, there was nothing really intense or urgent enough about this ep.
― tehresa, Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:27 (fifteen years ago) link
What, you people are crazy. This episode was all about the funs, with a little bit of resolution. Myles and Hurley conversation = A+++
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:31 (fifteen years ago) link
The Ben Linus theme this week into next is like television candy for me, as well.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:32 (fifteen years ago) link
kate is soooooooooo stupid
― abanana, Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:43 (fifteen years ago) link
nah in her stupidity kate did exactly what she was supposed to do. i normally hate kate episodes but quite liked this one, even though her scenes with aaron are still cringe-y.
didn't like the "ben will forget this happened" bit though, would've been ten times better if everything he did as an adult was because he already knew who the castaways were in his past.
so you go into the temple, you come out as an Other?
― Roz, Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Myles and Hurley conversation = A+++
^^^and this.
also lol i like nu-douchebag jack better than old douchebag jack - dude's such an asshole.
― Roz, Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:48 (fifteen years ago) link
YES. I love the symmetry of Jack and "Sawyer" changing places as the series moves from one end to the other. Would not be surprised to see James doing something heroic at the end, the way Jack took charge in episode 01-01.
― WmC, Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:51 (fifteen years ago) link
ditto on lovin' neo-douchebag, grunge-listening, finally-realizing-that-Kate-is-just-selfish-and-manipulative Jack
― Nhex, Thursday, 2 April 2009 04:04 (fifteen years ago) link
I know some people are suspecting a Sawyer death this season, but I really think he's around til the end now....for the exact reasons WmC mentioned above.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 2 April 2009 04:05 (fifteen years ago) link