"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

I suppose we don't necessarily need Sayid to stumble across the Others. Hurley is contractually obliged to throw a strop and walk off into the jungle on his own at least once a season.

Something that leapt out at me this week was the way Richard looked in the "previously on Lost" bit. We've seen 50s Richard now, and he's as clean cut and tidy as '05 Richard was. So how come he was dressed all piratey when young Ben first met him in the mid 70s? Was it the same dress-up thing that Tom used to do with his fake beard? And if so, why DO the others do that? Why are they so intent on convincing any island interlopers (dharma, the 815ers) that really, the others are a technologically backwards gang of...what? pirates? farmers?

Also, I LOVE JF SEBASTIAN.

lost casting of character actors this season = A++

i'm wondering what's going on in the "real world". we know that Oceanic 815 made the news so surely another commercial jetliner disappearing with every member of the O6 on board would make even bigger headlines? i'm guessing this is how Widmore realizes that Ben's beaten him to the island.

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Especially since there were so few others on board. I wonder if Ben used his Dean Moriarty alias to buy his ticket.

Widmore probably exhuming more bodies to dump on the bottom of the ocean.

Yeah it was totally obvious what Sayid was going to do - I'm surprised more people didn't see it coming.

i don't watch this show thinking about what's going to happen next - is it really that rewarding?

Why are they so intent on convincing any island interlopers (dharma, the 815ers) that really, the others are a technologically backwards gang of...what? pirates? farmers?

i guess they just want to minimise making it look like they've got stuff worth taking. but yeah Richard's hippy look (esp. so close to how we saw him when he spoke to James) would take some explaining

btw if they insist on this lame love rectangle i hope Juliet does at least snap at Kate "His name is JAMES" at some point.

the episode started with sayid killing a chicken, then he killed some more people, then he said he knew what his purpose was

it's hard to avoid thinking "what's going to happen next" when they are shoving it in your face

contrast that with ben killing locke, that totally took me by surprise. if someone called that, then i would give them kudos.

i actually thought Sayid was going to Jin for a single moment

Sayid, stop Jinning!

(kill Jin)

http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:bNG4aAZWAV3SsM::weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/blog/sayid.jpg
gin, rummy...

i don't watch this show thinking about what's going to happen next - is it really that rewarding?

Considering the whole show is about 'wtf is going on with the mysteries of the weird island?' and a helping of 'can the people here control their destiny?' then yeah it is.

Presumably Ben's surprise at "Jin's alive?" was feigned given he should have met him on the island in childhood. Which makes me think he was planning to kill Locke all along.

I'm pretty sure we've seen kids killed on Lost before haven't we? I seem to remember there being some pretty brutal stuff in the first Eko episode.

I'm just surprised being able to say "I totally KNEW that was goin to happen (because I'm always trying to work out what's going to happen in advance)" is more satisfying than allowing more room for shock and surprise. I've read spoilers before now and then tho so...

There's a difference between reading spoilers somewhere and accurately speculating about what's going to happen next based on what we've already been shown.

Are we supposed to not think about the origin of the 4 toed statue until the show gets around to telling us about it?

i dunno... sometimes the show foreshadows events quite a bit and i don't think it takes away much from the viewing experience if you predict what happens (which is different also from reading spoilers and watching it afterwards). I missed the foreshadowing in this episode mainly because i was already comfortable with the "whatever happened, happened" rule - i thought sayid might try to kill ben but that something would happen to stop it (someone would interrupt or the gun would jam etc.). xp

Even I predicted this and I watch with my brain switched off mostly. "Ben is a monster"---> "I know what I'm here to do" after being left alone with Ben...
Well, I knew he would attempt to kill him - I've no idea what this might lead to now. I guess like with everyone in Lost (and every other TV show or movie ever) if we don't see his dying breath, we can presume he's not dead.

Truth serum thing was stupid. Although I did love Sayid giggling away on it. I don't quite get why Sawyer thought this was an OK alternative - surely if Sayid had spilled everything, he and Juliet would have a lot to lose?

Sawyer didn't think it was an okay alternative. He just didn't have any choice cuz Sayid wouldn't try to escape (then.)

Annoyingly the finale is not scheduled until May 13th.

Oh wait I misread Lostpedia and thought there were only 13 episodes this season with a monthlong break between 12 and 13. Nevermind. Wow there's still a lot of this season left to go.

hah, I did the same thing as you when I checked the episode guides.. tricksy Lostpedia

bwahahahah that "WALT!" video giving me major LIRL

"I'm pretty sure we've seen kids killed on Lost before haven't we? I seem to remember there being some pretty brutal stuff in the first Eko episode."

black on black violence in foreign country = less outrage from ned flanders than iraqi torture assassin shooting american harry potter in the chest.
got to give props to whatever faceless Disney exec gave the thumbs up for them to do this.

I don't think that any kids were killed in Eko's flashbacks - the gangsters just had Eko kill an adult in front of his/"for" his little brother.

watched last week's episode again, and i'm wondering if the mess that Frank and Sun find at the docks/dharmaville isn't a result of the original events of the past being changed. if it's 2007 for them, shouldn't all those dharma signs be taken down by now, if the Others have been living there for years at that point? I think the 1977'ers have fucked something up and changes the future in a major way...

changeD

oh and 'truth serum thing' - ie the LSD - was TOTALLY AWESOME.

"YOU'VE GIVEN ME JUST THE RRIGHT AMOUNTT!"

yeah I loved that part. Billie Holiday on the Victrola as they walked up to the teepee was a great scene setter

i'm wondering if the mess that Frank and Sun find at the docks/dharmaville isn't a result of the original events of the past being changed

my wife had the same thought/theory

and I thought "wait there is NO WAY that no one ever noticed Hurley in the 1977 yearbook photo, that must have appeared out of thin air after the fact"

this theory reminds me of the changing paintings in the first (only?) miles flashback

The Dharma Submarine Welcome center is not the same place as the Barracks, right? Because that was shown to be in a valley nowhere near the water in the SSN3 opener. So its possible the Others let that center that Sun and Frank go into with Christian languish since it was not part of the main community they started living in after the Purge.

no they definitely used it - it's where Juliet arrived and where Locke blew up the sub etc. I think it's reasonably close to the Barracks.

Yeah, they still used it as a sub station--but I think they were only over there when Locke blew up the sub because Jack & Juliet were supposed to be leaving the next morning.

the last time we saw the barracks smokey had just rampaged through, right? so it'd be a mess. as for whether those pictures have always been there, we don't know enough yet, do we?

If you think about the fact that Sayid and Eko have had such a similar flashback - Eko killing the man "for" his brother Yemi, Sayid killing the chicken "for" his brother - I wonder if the writers had planned to have Eko in the prominent role Sayid's found himself in now... IIRC he was only killed off because AAA wanted off the show.

I am pretty sure that the barracks & welcome centre are far-ish from each other, otherwise we would have seen that office when Locke & Sawyer took over New Otherton.

if Sayid is to die then Smokey killing him would seem quite likely

How does smokey kill -- does it just inflict mortal wounds, or does it drag people down to its spider hole to be turned into podpeople zombies?

There seem to be 3 distinct types of resurrection the island can administer:

1. non-invasive healing (locke)
2. pod-zombie (french crew, christian)
3. fifth-dimensional superbeings that only crazy people can see (jacob, ana lucia)

For 2 to happen, smokey has to get you?
For 3 to happen, you have to be buried on the island (island worms are responsible?)

So was Mr. Eko dragged to a pit, or did he die from mortal wounds? Since he came back as a 5D-superghost, it looks like he was buried?

Smokey killed Eko by slamming him against a tree and dropping him. he was then buried by Locke and co iirc.

when did Eko come back? I don't remember that - or was he in the "lift up your eyes and look north" or whatever Locke episode?

don't think he came back except as a hurley inviso-hallucination

yes 5dimensional superghost = inviso-hallucination
now that jin can speak english, this opens the possibility that hurley's "have a nice clucking day" dream-episode where jin speaks english is actually time traveling superghost jin (who is not bound by space or time) messing with hurley.

it doesn't open it that much

A MAN CAN DREAM...
also holding out hope that brother mouzone from the wire will avenge daniels' death. there was no need for ben to do him like that.

I will sign on with all of these fine ideas

OMG Brother Mouzone would be incredible in Lost. He and Ben would just deadpan each other to death.

I don't think they can do too much with re-arranged timelines without seriously fucking up the chronology of the show and they seem to be trying to avoid that. Maybe the reason no one noticed the Namaste picture is just that none of the survivors had been in that house before?

yeah maybe. and the dock could definitely just be messed up from when Locke blew up the sub (which is what I thought when I was watching the episode).

nah we saw them witness the explosion which took out just the sub.

i just assumed the destruction was down to keamy and co.

Maybe the reason no one noticed the Namaste picture is just that none of the survivors had been in that house before?

Sawyer's group probably went in there, I just imagine that it was hidden in plain sight so to speak.

There's a weird apocalyptic feel to the present day island - place is totally trashed and it seems like there's hardly anyone there.

This so reminds me of:

http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/shining-foto-thumb.jpg