"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

So Radzinsky definitely said to call Ann Arbor, right? WTF.

I'm curious how many more episodes we'll get before we see Desmond again...I mean, his name is still in the credits, Hawking said "the island isn't done with you", Ben probably killed Penny or something. I'm as into all this 70s Dharma shenanigens as the next guy but wtf we need a Constant here.

I bet Jack will refuse to try any doctor-y stuff to save Ben's life and will be all "lol I'm only qualified for custodial services duhurr".

Funny moment in the cafeteria where Hurley's like hey Jack wtf w Sayid and Jack's like Sawyer's on it and Hurley's like really you're gonna not stick your fucking face in this one?

so when do the dharma detective society find out about the time travel on the island? wouldn't marvin chang-candle-wickman have already told horace about this to the point that he might not think sayid was a lunatic.

So Radzinsky definitely said to call Ann Arbor, right? WTF.

From the Swan orientation film:

The DHARMA Initiative was created in 1970, and is the brainchild of Gerald and Karen DeGroot, two doctoral candidates at the University of Michigan.

nice ep with teh old skool flashbacks. sayid shooting ben was obv from when he said he knew why he was here, surely. i was like 'he doesn't know about the rules innit'

The reason he doesn't know about the rules is because no one ever fucking talks to each other on this dumb show that I love.

jaw dropped when i realised he was actually about to shoot ben

when he was talking to ben in moscow he just seemed so child-like naive. "what do i do now..." i suppose the emotional detachment might have that effect but still.

dunno how they were able to deal with living with Kid Ben for that long but guess we won't see anything more from those missing three years

btw nothing in this ep made any sense - dharma getting all freaked out and deciding to kill sayid cause he knew things (which he clearly knew before he got there since all hed done is get captured and seen a model for a second - and so the other hostiles likely know these things too) and because he might do something to them (except that hes in their jail). sayid refusing to go along w/sawyers plan cause he knew what he had to do except that itd be a lot easier to kill ben if he was released from jail than if hes executed.

xxpost polyphonic hahaha yes

Dharma's reaction was a little strange. While they just caught him, since he knew all that information they could have assumed he'd been spying on them for a long time. However, they weren't sure if he was still on the Hostile side due to being handcuffed. Radzinsky didn't have completely terrible logic, even if it was overly bloodthirsty. I think in the end they just went with Horace being pushed emotionally by his wife as the tiebreaker - if not for her I think they would've kept Sayid around longer and tortured him more.

Sayid refusing to go along with Sawyer's plan did make sense, though, since he already knew by that point Ben was going to break him out. That was the better way to go, and easier to isolate and kill Ben that way rather than hunting him down inside the village.

o sure have a kid break u out of jail over yr jailer letting u out

It's not so surprising that they'd decide to kill him. Most of the dharma dudes are kinda vindictive jerks!

i liked the "even the new mother wants you dead" line

"How did you find me?"

"...I looked..."

I think it's fairly well established by now that the Dharma dudes are complete fucking idiots - "hey look it's our magic truth serum that never fails oh hang on we don't understand what he means let's just kill him anyway". Also Sawyer being ice cold in essentially throwing his friend to the wolves so the rest of them can keep up their nice lives. It was actually Ben that sent the flaming van into the house in order to bust him out, right?

Sayid is basically fucked now. He can't go back to Dharma, he can't go out and hang with the Others because he just tried to murder their pet project. I totally called Sayid trying to kill Ben, btw, the big surprise at the end was that Sayid got away alive. I thought they were going to kill him off from the moment I saw young Sayid.

More than anything I want to know where the fuck Daniel is.

not missing Dan and his stupid whispery voice tbh. when he eventually starts doing cool stuff again then we'll talk.

the Sayid & Ilana scene in the bar had the show's most eye-rolling dialogue in quite awhile.

I totally called Sayid trying to kill Ben, btw

you do not win a prize for this

the Sayid & Ilana scene in the bar had the show's most eye-rolling dialogue in quite awhile

thought Kate & Juliet scene was just as bad.

also Claire on drugs > Sayid on drugs (but this was funny too)

who was the Dharma hottie sitting next to Radzinsky during the Sayid death vote

In the previous episode I already frowned upon how 'comfortable' Sawyer looks in his Dharma-world. Now he even voted in to kill Sayid, like a true Judas. Could Sawyer get too attached to his happy family life with Juliet and his gained respect, that he'll eventually be 'switching teams'? And what would that mean for 'future' Sawyer?

(he was bringing the lolz this episode though, some great lines sqeezed into a fairly straight forward episode)

"I totally called Sayid trying to kill Ben, btw
you do not win a prize for this"

I think he should. We need to start some gambling mechanism here... How's $50 ajirabucks sound?
Any takers for who dies next week?
I think it would be a neat plot twist if kid ben actually stays dead, tearing some hole in the plot-time continuum or something.

i'm trying to say it was totally fucking obvious

It sure seemed likely, plotwise, but kid killing on primetime network TV is a pretty risky proposition. Also enough people on this thread seemed surprised enough that it should be worth $50 ajirabucks where:

$5 ajirabucks = Walt will return in a future episode
$5000 ajirabucks = Sawyer comes back as a horse

Play money aside, I think Sayid is toast now. The love of his life is dead, he's fulfilled some weird destiny by turning Ben into OMG BEN. I think he's going to be the major character death this season.

yeah looks that way. too bad as he's so much more watchable than Jack and Kate aka KACK

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/embarchie/dharmasmoke.jpg

I was just disappointed Sayid did not snap Ben's neck like he did w/the chicken.

i'm wondering what's going on in the "real world". we know that Oceanic 815 made the news so surely another commercial jetliner disappearing with every member of the O6 on board would make even bigger headlines? i'm guessing this is how Widmore realizes that Ben's beaten him to the island.

i'm surprised he didn't break the chicken's neck with his legs

Yeah it was totally obvious what Sayid was going to do - I'm surprised more people didn't see it coming.

I think they can't kill Sayid off just yet because for plot reasons they probably need him to stumble across the Hostiles. We haven't seen younger Widmore in a while and he's got to come back into play at some point. Presumably he's still on the island at this stage?

Got a feeling they're actually setting Sawyer up for the chop in this series. Maximum tear jerker factor.

Although I did actually shout 'fuck off' at the screen when they cut from Sayid tied to the tree to Kate and Juliet doing their necessary-but-boring make-up scene.

I wish Kate would be killed off. Then Jack could get a fucking life and Sawyer could keep living his.

^^^this. i agree that sawyer and sayid are the two most likely to be killed off by the end of the season though, but i really wish it was kate. her character is so boring and pointless now.

i mean that either sawyer or sayid will get it, not both.

I suppose we don't necessarily need Sayid to stumble across the Others. Hurley is contractually obliged to throw a strop and walk off into the jungle on his own at least once a season.

Something that leapt out at me this week was the way Richard looked in the "previously on Lost" bit. We've seen 50s Richard now, and he's as clean cut and tidy as '05 Richard was. So how come he was dressed all piratey when young Ben first met him in the mid 70s? Was it the same dress-up thing that Tom used to do with his fake beard? And if so, why DO the others do that? Why are they so intent on convincing any island interlopers (dharma, the 815ers) that really, the others are a technologically backwards gang of...what? pirates? farmers?

Also, I LOVE JF SEBASTIAN.

lost casting of character actors this season = A++

i'm wondering what's going on in the "real world". we know that Oceanic 815 made the news so surely another commercial jetliner disappearing with every member of the O6 on board would make even bigger headlines? i'm guessing this is how Widmore realizes that Ben's beaten him to the island.

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Especially since there were so few others on board. I wonder if Ben used his Dean Moriarty alias to buy his ticket.

Widmore probably exhuming more bodies to dump on the bottom of the ocean.

Yeah it was totally obvious what Sayid was going to do - I'm surprised more people didn't see it coming.

i don't watch this show thinking about what's going to happen next - is it really that rewarding?

Why are they so intent on convincing any island interlopers (dharma, the 815ers) that really, the others are a technologically backwards gang of...what? pirates? farmers?

i guess they just want to minimise making it look like they've got stuff worth taking. but yeah Richard's hippy look (esp. so close to how we saw him when he spoke to James) would take some explaining

btw if they insist on this lame love rectangle i hope Juliet does at least snap at Kate "His name is JAMES" at some point.

the episode started with sayid killing a chicken, then he killed some more people, then he said he knew what his purpose was

it's hard to avoid thinking "what's going to happen next" when they are shoving it in your face

contrast that with ben killing locke, that totally took me by surprise. if someone called that, then i would give them kudos.

i actually thought Sayid was going to Jin for a single moment

Sayid, stop Jinning!

(kill Jin)

http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:bNG4aAZWAV3SsM::weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/blog/sayid.jpg
gin, rummy...

i don't watch this show thinking about what's going to happen next - is it really that rewarding?

Considering the whole show is about 'wtf is going on with the mysteries of the weird island?' and a helping of 'can the people here control their destiny?' then yeah it is.

Presumably Ben's surprise at "Jin's alive?" was feigned given he should have met him on the island in childhood. Which makes me think he was planning to kill Locke all along.

I'm pretty sure we've seen kids killed on Lost before haven't we? I seem to remember there being some pretty brutal stuff in the first Eko episode.

I'm just surprised being able to say "I totally KNEW that was goin to happen (because I'm always trying to work out what's going to happen in advance)" is more satisfying than allowing more room for shock and surprise. I've read spoilers before now and then tho so...

There's a difference between reading spoilers somewhere and accurately speculating about what's going to happen next based on what we've already been shown.

Are we supposed to not think about the origin of the 4 toed statue until the show gets around to telling us about it?

i dunno... sometimes the show foreshadows events quite a bit and i don't think it takes away much from the viewing experience if you predict what happens (which is different also from reading spoilers and watching it afterwards). I missed the foreshadowing in this episode mainly because i was already comfortable with the "whatever happened, happened" rule - i thought sayid might try to kill ben but that something would happen to stop it (someone would interrupt or the gun would jam etc.). xp

Even I predicted this and I watch with my brain switched off mostly. "Ben is a monster"---> "I know what I'm here to do" after being left alone with Ben...
Well, I knew he would attempt to kill him - I've no idea what this might lead to now. I guess like with everyone in Lost (and every other TV show or movie ever) if we don't see his dying breath, we can presume he's not dead.

Truth serum thing was stupid. Although I did love Sayid giggling away on it. I don't quite get why Sawyer thought this was an OK alternative - surely if Sayid had spilled everything, he and Juliet would have a lot to lose?