When Radzinsky talked about calling Ann Arbor for a decision, I immediately thought of Borders Books.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 26 March 2009 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link
also brilliant as e.b. farnum in deadwood, and he was in blade runner too
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, March 26, 2009 12:17 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yes!! such a distinctive voice eh
― s1ocki, Thursday, 26 March 2009 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link
I could have sworn I read 2-3 years ago that Sanderson had died, and I was so relieved and happy the next time I saw him in something and realized it wasn't true.
― WmC, Thursday, 26 March 2009 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link
it was driving me crazy, i knew i recognized him and could even picture his face from blade runner but could not remember what movie it was or what else he was in ... i had to look it up in the middle of the episode
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 26 March 2009 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link
LOL @
Q: "How ya doin'?"
A: "A 12-year-old Benjamin Linus just brought me a chicken salad sandwich. How do you THINK I'm doing?!"
Sayid with the laffs!
― Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe ben will be dead but not dead in the future and everything is nuts thatd be fun
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link
ya that'd be a good o_O
― s1ocki, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link
also no one is commenting on sayid TRIPPING BALLZ?!
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link
he didnt trip as hard as i thought... like when they tied up his arms for his protection i expected he'd be thrashing around, foaming at the mouth etc and instead he just got spacey and started telling lots of truths
― s1ocki, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link
occurred to anyone else that the reason that ben has been such a super manipulator of sayid/jack/etc is that (due to the rules of time travel in lost world) he's actually known who they were all along from when he was a kid?
― no one is ever ready for the STAKK ATTAKK (jjjusten), Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:36 (fifteen years ago) link
that occurred to me
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:38 (fifteen years ago) link
yes
― Roz, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link
i just assumed he was fucking smooth
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link
And the reason he thinks Sayid is a killer is because one of his their first interactions was Sayid saying "You're right, I'm a killer" and then shooting him?
― mh, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah i thought that too. anyway, go back to that scene where sayid sees ben coming on to the plane. the look on ben's face... he totally knows what's about to happen.
― Roz, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:47 (fifteen years ago) link
At least this all explains why Future Ben lets Hurley go at the dock when he's got Jack, Kate and Sawyer all tied up. All dude ever did to Ben was throw a burrito at him.
― lolling through my bagel (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link
oh i dunno hurley's still got 30 years or so to piss off ben.
― Roz, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I have to think that Ben remembered Sayid shooting him, and he worked to get him back to the island so that it would happen--including doing stuff like turning Sayid an assassin after he had retired from his violent ways (twice--once after Nadia's death and again after Locke's.)
― President Keyes, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link
sayid really shouldve thought to put tons bullets in that kids brain pan
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm sure everyone's picked up on this already, but I felt the episode was a throwback to SSNs 1 & 2, with lots of philosophy thrown at us Nature(Sayid is Natural Born Killer) vs. Nuture (Father trying to teach boy to kill/"Sweet Kid" Ben becomes evil due to abuse) and of course predetermination vs. free will. I'm sure the scene where Sawyer ends up voting to kill Sayid plays into this.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link
and back to proper flashbacks
― Roz, Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link
The writers have well established that there is no free will in the show. If the island (the writers) determines that Ben needs to live, then no amount of bullets can kill him. Thus, Sayid's best strategy is really to brain kid Ben with a wooden oar.
That said, looking forward to adult Ben to start dematerializing in front of everyone while jamming on Johnny B. Goode.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 26 March 2009 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
It's well established, but it doesn't help that the people on the island never take the one extra step they could take. Ben could have cut John's head off, or Sayid could've slit kid Ben's throat, or etc. etc. etc., but they never do it because the writers have made all the characters incredibly stupid in those sort of moments.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 March 2009 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
they aren't werewolves. or vampires.
― cutty, Thursday, 26 March 2009 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link
My point is that they know the island has the ability to heal people, and yet they still "kill" people in the conventional manner without taking the extra step necessary to perhaps finish the job. And this episode goes a long way to re-suggest that Sayid is capable of anything, and yet again he doesn't finish the job.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 March 2009 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Some of them are, but we won't find out until season six.
― lolling through my bagel (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 26 March 2009 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
sayid, capable of anything, maybe still felt bad for little ben, beaten by uncle rico/laslo holyfeld
― cutty, Thursday, 26 March 2009 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
I think avoiding kid throat slitting is more a concession to sponsors who are probably not jazzed with shooting kid in the chest, so probably they are on thin ice already.CLEARLY EVEN THE ISLAND HAS MORE POWERFUL MASTERS...[picture of geico lizard]
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 26 March 2009 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:44 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
if the island's going to heal them anyways, why bother expending the extra energy on chopping off heads or whatever?
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 26 March 2009 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Why bother killing them in the first place?
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 March 2009 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I think the point is that it's harder for the island to heal someone who's completely dismembered.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Most of the time, a bullet is sufficient to kill someone, e.g., Libby, Shannon, Ana-Lucia, Ethan, Alex, Rousseau, both Colleen and Danny Pickett, etc.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Probably none of those people are dead. In fact, they now have super zombie powers.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:00 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how do we know?
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link
you would think sayid of all people would be suspicious of the "mysterious stranger hits on you then turns out to be person sent to spy on you/kill you"
major lolz at "YOU USED EXACTILLY THE RIGHT AMOUNT, HEHAHAHAHAHA"
― Local Garda, Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link
anyways sayid doesn't have the same knowledge of all the time travel nonsense because he's been separate from the rest of the crew for the most part, right? like he wasn't there when faraday said they can't change the future by modifying things in the past, i don't think. so maybe he thinks one bullet to the heart is enough to fix everything
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link
his exact thought was prob: "this is nothing a bullet to the heart won't fix"
― Local Garda, Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, that was pretty irritating. Poor poor Big Mopey, boo hoo hoo, that musta been some scotch.
― WmC, Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link
where did he have the money? did Ben actually pay him?
― Local Garda, Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link
pert plus sponsorship
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link
What money?
― WmC, Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I guess we don't, but imagine the physics.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link
oceanic 6 all seem to have gotten mad loot settlements IIRC
― no one is ever ready for the STAKK ATTAKK (jjjusten), Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link
ha i don't think physics are a problem for a magic time traveling island that can cure cancer
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link
So Radzinsky definitely said to call Ann Arbor, right? WTF.
I'm curious how many more episodes we'll get before we see Desmond again...I mean, his name is still in the credits, Hawking said "the island isn't done with you", Ben probably killed Penny or something. I'm as into all this 70s Dharma shenanigens as the next guy but wtf we need a Constant here.
― GLEEPGLOP BLOOPBLORP (nickalicious), Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I bet Jack will refuse to try any doctor-y stuff to save Ben's life and will be all "lol I'm only qualified for custodial services duhurr".
Funny moment in the cafeteria where Hurley's like hey Jack wtf w Sayid and Jack's like Sawyer's on it and Hurley's like really you're gonna not stick your fucking face in this one?
― GLEEPGLOP BLOOPBLORP (nickalicious), Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link
so when do the dharma detective society find out about the time travel on the island? wouldn't marvin chang-candle-wickman have already told horace about this to the point that he might not think sayid was a lunatic.
― Local Garda, Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link
From the Swan orientation film:
The DHARMA Initiative was created in 1970, and is the brainchild of Gerald and Karen DeGroot, two doctoral candidates at the University of Michigan.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 26 March 2009 19:39 (fifteen years ago) link
nice ep with teh old skool flashbacks. sayid shooting ben was obv from when he said he knew why he was here, surely. i was like 'he doesn't know about the rules innit'
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
The reason he doesn't know about the rules is because no one ever fucking talks to each other on this dumb show that I love.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link