Bone Broth Mania

Oh lol Belle Gibson. That story's been a hilarious trainwreck to follow.

tbf to hipsters, i never really felt like paleo was a hipster or even a "foodie" thing? ime it's been more a hyper-masculine fitness dork thing

btw that cookbook for babies thing is fucking grotesque

btw paleo is complete bullshit

tbf, I seriously doubt Paleo people are advocating bone broth instead of breast milk - the ones I've known/seen are very Le Leche League on that front. Would wager its suggested as a supplement to breast milk as an alternative to formula. Which you can take issue with you want, but it's different. Likewise, the liver - pretty sure they're talking about liver as one of the ingredients to the stock, not mashed up solid food for newborns. Bone broth wouldn't have solids in it.

Yeah no they mean in the stock, my understanding was it was indeed meant to completely replace milk. I could be wrong on that angle.

btw that cookbook for babies thing is fucking grotesque

― marcos, Sunday, March 15, 2015 7:38 PM

To Serve Baby

I'm gonna make the NYT recipe this week because I have a new slow cooker and why not

PSA: Pressure cookers make incredible broth in a fraction of the time it takes in a slow cooker

tbf, I seriously doubt Paleo people are advocating bone broth instead of breast milk - the ones I've known/seen are very Le Leche League on that front. Would wager its suggested as a supplement to breast milk as an alternative to formula. Which you can take issue with you want, but it's different. Likewise, the liver - pretty sure they're talking about liver as one of the ingredients to the stock, not mashed up solid food for newborns. Bone broth wouldn't have solids in it.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, March 16, 2015 4:15 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

From the article:

"There appears to be recommendations not to use either breast milk or an approved infant formula, but to provide other foods to infants under six months of age and that really is a big health risk," Professor Yeatman said.

Also liver as an ingredient in the stock is a problem because of high levels of vitamin A, which are going to be present whether you mash it up in stock or feed it as a paste to babies.

Right, the characterization by a critic is 'breast milk replacement.' I strongly doubt that's the actual wording - and other articles on the recall point to it being a formula alternative. Formula alternative makes sense - Paleo people are gung ho about avoiding processed food so they want to DIY an alternative - there's no logically consistent reason for Paleo people to oppose breast milk.

Likewise, that article's emphasis is on "mashed-up liver" in the broth and its presence being unsuitable for 1-6 month olds, which leads me to think the critic in this case is misunderstanding or misrepresenting the situation.

Like I said, there are other reasons it's dumb and probably a terrible idea, but I'm not sure that one person's take is accurate.

"Appears to be a recommendation" is the kind of wording you use when you've read a summary but not the actual work. If they're recommending bone broth instead of breast milk, it would be pretty obvious and easy to point out directly.

the larger issue is that there's nothing wrong with formula & a lot of potential for problems w/fitness ppl homebrewing an alternative

As much as I find paleo diet enthusiasm to be just another bunch of fad diet bullshit, I agree that it seems inconsistent with opposing breast milk, which is pretty damn paleo afaikt. Even if it is not what paleo adherent as a whole might do, if it is what this dingaling who wrote the cookbook recommends, that's bad. And advocating a roll-your-own broth as a substitute for infant formula, which has been developed over years and is manufactured under very tight controls and to very specific standards, is a bad, bad idea. Like, beyond dumb. Also, again, liver in whatever form unsuitable for 1-6 month olds because of the vitamin A content.

Like it is impossible for anyone in their home kitchen to replicate the necessary nutrients in commercially available infant formula to the same standards and at the same level of safety. It's the naturalistic fallacy at its most dangerous because it is endangering the lives of tiny people who are dependent on others for their survival. You have to be anti-vax level of delusional to think that whatever you can boil up in your pressure cooker is going to be better for your kid than infant formula.

so so so otm carl

I object generally to enforcing extreme diets like paleo, or for that matter even veganism, onto a child under about the age of 10. Thanks to their stupid hippy antivax mother my bf's kids are both vegetarian and as a result, so fussy and scared of food they'll barely eat anything.

IMO white people are getting okay with broth now because white ppl love pho and ramen

― 龜, Friday, January 16, 2015 8:38 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i read that nytimes article and i still dont understand if this is different from regular broth of the kind that everyone from every culture across the world has consumed since the beginning of time

― adam, Friday, January 16, 2015 8:47 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

never got an answer to this

The chef in New York who first started getting press for this tried to explain it on a cooking show and tried really hard to differentiate between broth, stock and bone broth and totally couldn't.

like, is it cool if i eat tonkotsu every day?

You have to be anti-vax level of delusional to think that whatever you can boil up in your pressure cooker is going to be better for your kid than infant formula.

Could this homebrew be intended for mothers who 1) are not breastfeeding and 2) want to keep their kids off soy? Several years ago at an FDA hearing I heard a presentation by someone associated with the Weston A. Price Foundation, advocating some sort of infant formula based on bones rather than soy.

I'm still alarmed at the idea of bringing up kids on some sort of "enhanced" broth, but there are concerns about phytoestrogens in soy foods.

http://www.yates.com.au/images/au/products/fertilising/yates-blood-and-bone-based-fertiliser.jpg

makes 1000l of tasty broth

smells good 2

The bone broth for kids guy is way beyond anti-vax btw, he believes and actively promotes the idea that a non paleo diet causes autism

what is wrong with these people - by very simple logic that means WE WOULD ALL BE AUTISTIC.

needs a swift kick in the activated almonds imo

the autism thing goddamn won't go away

i mean obviously something environmentally or whatever-wise could be causing increased autism but i do strongly believe that a big factor in autism's "rise" is diagnosis.

there were totally people in my school growing up that were very austistic, i was from a small town and there wasn't much in the way of school mental health and they were just considered like "oh that's derek he's weird and remembers what year everyone's parents graduated high school" but i never heard the word austistic until years later

i have a coworker who is an idiot and has a friend who sells her on all these quacky nutrition theories and she told me "i'm making bone broth this weekend because i'm getting sick." i just kind of stared.

we were at a race/kid's park Halloween party thing a couple of weekends ago and one of the sponsors was selling "osteobroth," which they touted as being made from chicken bones and tasting just like chicken broth!

At which point I started gibbering with incoherent rage until I blacked out.

i feel like some of her questions are so stupid that whenever i respond to them i am being condescending so i just kept "hi broth is always made from bones what are you talking about and what diseases do you have that it is curing" to myself

one week she kept carrying around a container of water with sliced cucumbers and lemons in it and said "it detoxes you" X(

You should tell her to turn that stock into a lovely soup.

I just made two batches of "bone broth" (chicken and beef) to prep for surgery.

Not because I think it is going to make me any more resilient/help me heal faster, just because I think it counts as a clear liquid and I think it will taste good when I can't eat :(

Anyway, I am down with bone broth. I would definitely make it if I felt I were coming down with a cold, why because hot salty beefy liquid taste good.