2008 Primaries Thread

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i think the word is "islamistical," Jeb.

horseshoe, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:18 (sixteen years ago) link

LOL at Gibson posing a question that could have been asked in 1976.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Edwards: "If someone attacke us with a nuclear weapon, they have nuclear capability."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Uhh Bhutto was killed over the Xmas break. How "calm" a response could the Bush administration have hoped for?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, it's nice to see that you approve of the Bush doctrine.

-- Jeb, Saturday, January 5, 2008 8:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

thats not the bush doctrine retard

deej, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:20 (sixteen years ago) link

thats practical intelligent foreign policy

deej, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:21 (sixteen years ago) link

hillary is winning so far. real strong + with specifics

deej, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm going to go out on a limb and say something I very well may regret: HRC wins this debate tonight, and she'll make N.H. very competitive.

So far (early, I know), everybody else sounds very abstract.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link

"I would call Jack Bauer."

mulla atari, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Deej beat me to it.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, HRC sounds like she's rewriting the Truman Doctrine, but that was a rather good response.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link

missing the gop zings at this point...

petey_carnum, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link

obama's vagueness is disappointing to me, he's just positioning w/ reminders about iraq being a mistake

deej, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Alfred, as a pure matter of rhetoric, you've got to give HRC her due.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:24 (sixteen years ago) link

HA! HRC looking like Richardson like he's a gardener.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:24 (sixteen years ago) link

wtf all three of them are right, if our country is threatened by rogue groups inside a nation that can't control them we absolutely should step in

This sure sounds like the Bush doctrine.

Jeb, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:24 (sixteen years ago) link

http://i12.tinypic.com/6lcc4sg.gif

Kerm, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:24 (sixteen years ago) link

And Obama started his response to two questions with Oh, I've worked on this issue before, which really should be at the end of the response or mentioned in a very short way (as HRC did, frankly).

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:25 (sixteen years ago) link

"yet"

Kerm, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Richardson = the Dem's Fred Thompson.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:26 (sixteen years ago) link

there's a difference between declaring war unilaterally on a single nation and tactical missile strikes against rogue groups WITHIN a country that the nation can't control

xps to jeb

deej, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Gibson's sharp and thoughtful. And he seems a little pro-HRC.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, HRC starts to flail for the first time.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link

this is gonna be good

J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link

now hillary is sounding kind of wack

deej, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link

hah yeah xp'd by alfred

deej, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link

But she's doing her attack in a surprisingly effective way. Not too mean or petty-sounding.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link

btw Andy McCarthy's response to the debate above:

Hillary Just Announced ... the Bush Doctrine [Andy McCarthy]

Any state that gives safe-haven to terrorists who would attack the United States will face massive retaliation ... as if that state was part of the terrorist organization. Where have I heard that before?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link

she should have transitioned out of the foreign policy part into whats wrong w/ obama but instead she's doing that calibrating and positioning re:"change" and vague shit like "consistency"

deej, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Aside from Richardson (maybe), didn't they all endorse the Bush doctrine?

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:30 (sixteen years ago) link

and Richardson's a "realist" of the old school, so of course he would.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Is HRC trying to woo Edwards as a veep candidate?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:31 (sixteen years ago) link

how liberally are you guys defining the bush doctrine?? any preemptive actions of any kind???

deej, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Everybody's oddly defending Edwards.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

or as someone who could help her nail obama

J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Custody battle.

Kerm, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

ugh Obama is awful at this sort of thing.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link

there's a difference between declaring war unilaterally on a single nation and tactical missile strikes against rogue groups WITHIN a country that the nation can't control

This is kind of a thorny theoretical problem, and this not really the time and place, but there are all kinds of problems with that distinction: who is the arbiter on what constitutes a "rogue group" and what does "can't control" mean? (All of this, of course, assuming that the "host country" opposes the U.S. going in.)

Jeb, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't think he is flailing terribly right now

J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link

obama is anticipating some negative shit coming his way

johnny crunch, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link

As I have remarked before, Obama is a pretty mediocre debater.

Jeb, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link

jeb i agree - which is why dividing people into 'pro bush doctrine!' and 'anti-bush doctrine' is kind of useless

deej, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:34 (sixteen years ago) link

xps

deej, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:34 (sixteen years ago) link

He is a mediocre debater. Still, Obama closes that one nicely. But he didn't get a chance to refute some of those flip-flop charges.

Now Edwards is chosing his dance partner.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:34 (sixteen years ago) link

edwards is being kind of annoying. and i like him.

horseshoe, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:34 (sixteen years ago) link

So are we gonna bomb the forces of status quo or not?

Kerm, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link

damn double team

petey_carnum, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link

good to see edwards turn on clinton too, was afraid he'd be against just obama

deej, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I said on the other thread that Obama's a bit like a Law Professor: Great at stump speaking, a bit rattled and humbled when challenged.

Now HRC will attack Edwards. Temporary alliance over. Knives out.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link

35 years of change? child plz

J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:36 (sixteen years ago) link


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