2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

(he lost, but still)

It's bullshit to call someone a genius when a long-shot stunt works.

hahaha, he panicked and pushed all-in with an unsuited A-6.

xxxpost -- I hope it's not true too, I just wouldn't be surprised.

hahaha, he panicked and pushed all-in with an unsuited A-6.

Dude, he had the 6 paired, and he had pot odds! Shut the fuck up and play your cards!

rofl

I don't think anybody who wasn't already schizoid and blessed against witchcraft bought that line of shit, nate.

― TOMBOT, Friday, September 26, 2008 11:01 AM (22 minutes ago)

^^ this is rove's 50% and change remember /daniel esq

The economy is a series of tubes

is Daniel not posting anymore?

mccain hired him

I think it's important to be skeptical regarding electoral politics, but spinning how this week has gone as positive isn't skepticism, it's credulity.

new SUSA and R2000 polls have Obama within 2 and 1 points, respectively, in MO

The Obama campaign is trying to get us Kansas volunteers to go to MO and canvas; maybe it's now worth the time and expense.

QUEEN OF THE WILD FRONTIER
(Tune of Davy Crockett)
She goes ice fishing in the frozen land,
Races snow mobiles right beside her man.
Goes moose hunting and flys her own plane,
Will be vice president beside John McCain.
Sarah, Sarah Palin, queen of the wild frontier.
She sold the Govenor's jet there on E-Bay,
Looked at the limosines, said, "Take 'em all away."
Anywhere she goes, she drives her own car,
She even wants to drill up there in ANWR.
Sarah, Sarah Palin, Queen of the wild frontier.
She's a hard working Govenor, but she likes to play,
And she's a life time member of the NRA.
She's a great Mother, and a wonderful wife,
Everybody knows she's all PRO Life.
Sarah, Sarah Palin, Queen of the wild frontier.
She's an enviromentalist, with a plan to go Green,
Let's not forget that she's a beauty queen.
She's a conservationist, she likes clean air,
And she even got rid of the Bridge To No Where.
Sarah, Sarah Palin, queen of the wild frontier.
Now, the Republican Party is a dancin' a jig,
They know John McCain picked somebody big.
Someone said Obama's a doing good too,
I heard a big shout, "Obama WHO???."
Sarah, Sarah Palin, queen of the wild frontier.

kos poll roundup

She's an enviromentalist, with a plan to go Green,

^^ spot the amazing typo

is Daniel not posting anymore?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, September 26

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mccain hired him

― goole, Friday, September 26, 2008

lol

typos don't matter when you're singin'

enviro-mentalist

ok it's not that amazing.

McCain's campaign is all about reaching for the voters who re-elected George Bush. He seems to be doing that fairly well. By election day, I expect McCain will have gathered in most of the flock.

When Obama wins, it will be mostly thanks to a big wave of new voters, not the conversion of Bush 2004 voters. Obama just has to swamp the old-guard Republican coalition with a bigger coalition than Gore or Kerry could assemble. I think he can do it.

I also expect a gazillion of stories about long lines and dysfunctional polling places again on election day. Why would the Republicans fix what's broken in their favor?

not the conversion of Bush 2004 voters

uh really? you sure?

http://election.twitter.com/

WHY DOES THAT THING EXIST?!

via Halperin

McCain Pool ReportMcCain now boarding plane at DCA with Cindy, Salter, Rudy Giuliani, wife Judith, and other aides plus pool.

Heading to Memphis, 1:50 minute flight, then motorcade to site

General atmosphere is utter confusion.

way to go, team mccain!

BOXCAR

On McCain roaring into Washington kicking ass, taking names and knocking heads together.

McCain's Brilliant Play: Bets Presidency on Blocking Bailout Deal
Posted Sep 26, 2008 09:27am EDT by Henry Blodget in Investing, Newsmakers, Recession, Banking
From ClusterStock, Sept. 26, 2008:

John McCain roared into Washington yesterday and reportedly broke up an agreement on the bailout deal. In doing so, he went against not only Democrats but the Republican president, the panicked Republican Treasury Secretary and Fed Chairman, and Republican Congressional leaders. Instead, he sided with a small band of outraged Republicans grousing about violation of free-market principles.

So was this idiotic McCain self-destruction, as most people are suggesting? Or was it a brilliant populist move?

We think the latter.

Americans hate the Hanke-Panke plan, which they accurately view as a bailout of the financial-services companies and executives that helped get us into this mess. Some Americans are so angry, in fact, that for now they'd rather see "this sucker go down" -- as Bush put yesterday, referring to the U.S. economy -- than support a financial-services bailout. By aligning himself with a small band of Republicans who are refusing to go along with the Hanke-Panke plan, McCain not only appears to be standing up for this outrage but is reinforcing his desired image as a maverick.

Given the ongoing crisis in the credit markets, a bailout plan will likely be struck today or Monday -- whether McCain plays ball or not. Assuming this happens, McCain will:

Take credit for brokering a compromise (assuming the final deal is palatable to Americans)
Crow that he was the candidate who tried to stand up against the bailout of Wall Street fat-cats
Note every five minutes in the next six weeks that the enormous sop to Wall Street hasn't saved anything (if the bailout works, it won't work until long after the election is over)
Blast President Bush, who everyone hates anyway, thus reinforcing his "change" message
Say he's the only guy with the balls and experience necessary to deal with this crisis.
And on the off chance that a deal doesn't go through in the next couple of days, McCain can just rail about the outrage of the Democrats' desire to bail out Wall Street at the expense of Main Street and say he's the only one standing up for the little guy.

In our opinion, this was a brilliant political play (and we're voting for Obama). If only it were likely to lead to a better bailout plan.

(What's a better bailout plan? One that injected equity into the banks -- or, better yet, converted debt to equity -- thus penalizing banks for their stupidity, not taxpayers, and actually accomplishing the desired recapitalization).

unbelievably, this is kind of exciting. i think we have a real chance to see some weird shit tonight. nobody's had the peace of mind and time they were anticipating to prepare. and the sheer diversity - and high stakes - of the issues involved here are staggering.

Dear Friends:

My name is Joe Porter. I live in Champaign, Illinois. I'm 46 years old, a born-again Christian, a husband, a father, a small business owner, a veteran, and a homeowner. I don't consider myself to be either conservative or liberal, and I vote for the person, not Republican or Democrat. I don't believe there are "two Americas " - but that every person in this country can be whomever and what ever they want to be if they'll just work to get there - and nowhere else on earth can they find such opportunities. I believe our government should help those who are legitimately downtrodden, and should always put the interests of America first.

The purpose of this message is that I'm concerned about the future of this great nation. I'm worried that the silent majority of honest, hard-working, tax-paying people in this country have been passive for too long. Most folks I know choose not to involve themselves in politics. They go about their daily lives, paying their bills, raising their kids, and doing what they can to maintain the good life. They vote and consider doing so to be a sacred trust. They shake their heads at the political pundits and so-called "news", thinking that what they hear is always spun by whomever is reporting it. They can't understand how elected officials can regularly violate the public trust with pork-barrel spending. They don't want government handouts. They want the government to protect them, not raise their taxes for more government programs.

We are in the unique position in this country of electing our leaders. It's a privilege to do so. I've never found a candidate in any election with whom I agreed on everything. I'll wager that most of us don't even agree with our families or spouses 100% of the time. So when I step into that voting booth, I always try to look at the big picture and cast my vote for the man or woman who is best qualified for the job. I've hired a lot of people in my lifetime, and essentially that's what an election is - a hiring process. Who has the credentials? Whom do I want working for me? Whom can I trust to do the job right?

I'm concerned that a growing number of voters in this country simply don't get it. They are caught up in a fervor they can't explain, and calling it "change".

Change what?, I ask.

Well, we're going to change America, they say.

In what way?, I query.

We want someone new and fresh in the White House, they exclaim.

So, someone who's not a politician?, I press.

Uh, well, no, we just want a lot of stuff changed, so we're voting for Obama, they state.

So the current system, the system of freedom and democracy that has enabled a man to grow up in this great country, get a fine education, raise incredible amounts of money and dominate the news and win his party's nomination for the White House - that system's all wrong?

No, no, that part of the system's okay - we just need a lot of change.

And so it goes. "Change we can believe in." Quite frankly, I don't believe that vague proclamations of change hold any promise for me. In recent months, I've been asking virtually everyone I encounter how they're voting. I live in Illinois, so most folks tell me they're voting for Barack Obama. But no one can really tell me why - only that he's going to change a lot of stuff. Change, change, change. I have yet to find one single person who can tell me distinctly and convincingly why this man is qualified to be President and Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful nation on earth - other than the fact that he claims he's going to imple-ment a lot of change.

We've all seen the emails about Obama's genealogy, his upbringing, his Muslim background, and his church affiliations. Let's ignore this for a moment. Put it all aside. Then ask yourself, what qualifies this man to be my president? That he's a brilliant orator and talks about change?

CHANGE WHAT?

Friends, I'll be forthright with you - I believe the American voters who are supporting Barack Obama don't have a clue what they're doing, as evidenced by the fact that not one of them - NOT ONE of them I've spoken to can spell out his qualifications. Not even the most liberal media can explain why he should be elected. Political experience? Negligible. Foreign relations? Non-existent. Achievements? Name one. Someone who wants to unite the country? If you haven't read his wife's thesis from Princeton , look it up on the web. This is who's lining up to be our next First Lady? The only thing I can glean from Obama's constant harping about change is that we're in for a lot of new taxes.

For me, the choice is clear. I've looked carefully at the two leading applicants for the job, and I've made my choice.

Here's a question - where were you five and a half years ago? Around Christmas, 2002. You've had five or six birthdays in that time. My son has grown from a sixth grade child to a high school graduate. Five and a half years is a good chunk of time. About 2,000 days. 2,000 nights of sleep. 6, 000 meals, give or take.

John McCain spent that amount of time, from 1967 to 1973, in a North Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camp.

When offered early release, he refused it. He considered this offer to be a public relations stunt by his captors, and insisted that those held longer than he should be released first. Did you get that part? He was offered his freedom, and he turned it down. A regimen of beatings and torture began.

Do you possess such strength of character? Locked in a filthy cell in a foreign country, would you turn down your own freedom in favor of your fellow man? I submit that's a quality of character that is rarely found, and for me, this singular act defines John McCain.

Unlike several presidential candidates in recent years whose military service is questionable or non-existent, you will not find anyone to denigrate the integrity and moral courage of this man. A graduate of Annapolis, during his Naval service he received the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. His own son is now serving in the Marine Corps in Iraq. Barack Obama is fond of saying "We honor John McCain's service...BUT...", which to me is condescending and offensive - because what I hear is, "Let's forget this man's sacrifice for his country and his proven leadership abilities, and talk some more about change."

I don't agree with John McCain on everything - but I am utterly convinced that he is qualified to be our next President, and I trust him to do what's right. I know in my heart that he has the best interests of our country in mind. He doesn't simply want to be President - he wants to lead America, and there's a huge difference. Factually, there is simply no comparison between the two candidates. A man of questionable background and motives who prattles on about change can't hold a candle to a man who has devoted his life in public service to this nation, retiring from the Navy in 1981 and elected to the Senate in 1982.

Perhaps Obama's supporters are taking a stance between old and new. Maybe they don't care about McCain's service or his strength of character, or his unblemished qualifications to be President. Maybe "likeability" is a higher priority for them than "trust". Being a prisoner of war is not what qualifies John McCain to be President of the United States of America - but his demonstrated leadership certainly DOES.

Dear friends, it is time for us to stand. It is time for thinking Americans to say, "Enough." It is time for people of all parties to stop following the party line. It is time for anyone who wants to keep America first, who wants the right man leading their nation, to start a dialogue with all their friends and neighbors and ask who they're voting for, and why.

There's a lot of evil in this world. That should be readily apparent to all of us by now. And when faced with that evil as we are now, I want a man who knows the cost of war on his troops and on his citizens. I want a man who puts my family's interests before any foreign country.

I want a President who's qualified to lead.

I want my country back, and I'm voting for John McCain.

Dear Friends, Friends, Dear friends

Buster Friendly and his Friendly Friends

Unlike several presidential candidates in recent years whose military service is questionable JOHN KERRY or non-existent BARACK OBAMA, you will not find anyone SWIFT-BOATERS to denigrate the integrity and moral courage of this man.

McCain's Brilliant Play: Bets Presidency on Blocking Bailout Deal

I was just coming here to post that. McCain's utter shamelessness is starting to become more apparent as his prime political strength.

I'm impressed that someone with those kinds of logic skills correctly spelled "genealogy".

In our opinion, this was a brilliant political play (and we're voting for Obama).

There's your self-loathing.

so McCain said he was suspending his campaign to get a deal done and wouldn't debate

he didn't suspend his campaign, there's no deal (widely seen as his doing), and he's going to the debate anyway

I know the bailout is unpopular but it's hard to see this as a big win

143 Days of Experience

by Cheri Jacobus

May 5, 2008

Just how much United States Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days?

Not much.

From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.

After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.

143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.

In contrast, John McCain's 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever.

there is no fucking counter-argument to the "mccain was in vietnam go america" ploy except "stupid fucking dipshit cunts"

i mean what else can i say

o humans

Joe Porter's Cosmic Bovine Studios

http://www.cosmicbovine.com/

who the fuck keeps leftovers for 4.5 months

http://twitpic.com/img/d9t0-73ed13e03e147fbd5523dd24687a6207.48dd183e.jpg

McCain's utter shamelessness is starting to become more apparent as his prime political strength

shameless as in taking four different positions in the same week? who wants the president to govern that way? I mean, I'm biased as hell but to me he's treated this whole situation as all politics, no policy.

dan, "fucking stupid dipshit cunts"

glad to have contributed complex and original thinking to this discussion

lol

http://i.current.com/images/asset/889/341/62/zaDTw682_400x300.jpg

jagger's here. NOW the thread can start!

i am wondering which blue pills mccain takes

Please ask yourself these basic questions when you're
at the polling booth;

Why am I voting for Barack Obama? Is it because of his skin color?
Can skin color determine leadership abilities?

Do you really believe Terrorists care about peace within our nation?

Can you honestly say Barack has had enough experience to be our President?

Which candidate can you trust enough to keep us sleeping at night
because he believes in freedom for all?

Which candidate has solid experience to lead this country through the
quagmire of our present economic situation and lead us towards a more
peaceful and prosperous nation?

Do you believe Barack Obama has the firm believe in the United States
government's goals and sound belief system based on the Constitution?
Or, as a Muslim, will not try to change our government to move away
from our basic freedoms as citizens? (Good questions to contemplate
since he spent the primary years of his life learning the Muslim way.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/ex-adviser-mccain-blinked_n_129611.html

the Muslim way

Gallup: Obama 48-45 (+3)