"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

Frank's logic was "this guy must be too dangerous to be trusted, considering what Widmore sent in to get him."

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Yeah, but wouldn't you feel safer around a guy a commando team couldn't capture?

Certainly it wouldn't be a good idea to hit him in the head with an oar.

why is this a bad idea? it worked, didn't it?

Huh? You have to kill Ben to stop him.

I thought he was one of those island/writer-earmarked untouchables like Locke that couldn't be killed.
In lieu of that, repeatedly braining him with heavy pieces of wood seems like the best strategy. Those commando dudes should have skipped on the ammo and brought hockey sticks.

But this is purely relying on the notion that Ben is too concerned with his Island-related mission to have time to exact revenge against people who hit him in the head with oars.

It kind of boggles my mind to think that after a full season, the 815s had just managed to get the first hatch open. The pace really picked up in S3 and S4.

I'm enjoying the quickened pace and this season is awesome so far, but sometimes I kinda miss the pace of the first season. It was cool to go into every episode thinking "will they finally bust that hatch open?", wondering what was in it. Whereas now 4-5 episode stretches will regularly occur without even touching certain plot lines.

better to treat Ben like a mortal enemy than to be in a position where he can manipulate you. he's most dangerous when he's convincing people to trust him. which he does, repeatedly. xp

Treating him as a mortal enemy didn't work out for Kimmi (or anyone else on the freighter.)

Or Abbaddon.

Ben seems to not really take bodily injury personally -- he only goes wrath of khan when you mess with his women.
Sayid mashed him but good but they all pals afterwards. Maybe Sayid will smack kid ben with a wiffle bat or something when he busts out.

keyes dude you're thinking about this way too much - all frank meant was that it's just safer to stay the fuck away from Ben. don't try to kill him but don't try to speak with him either, neither will turn out well.

I know--I was just reacting to the craziness of people thinking its a good idea to hit a dangerous guy in the head but not kill him.

looooved the runway making sense after all. can't wait for the dharma drop explanation.

Interesting how Jin & Sun have kind of switched places... Jin is a chilled out hippie (not that Sun was ever a hippie.. but you get my drift) and now Sun is a raging maniac ready to smack a bitch!

Heh, awesome. But true! Good insight from Roz too about Sun and Jin's character arcs going in similar directions that seem really natural and fitting with their origins, I think they've always had a better grasp on their flashbacks compared to many of the original 815ers, even with the more soap opera-ish elements.

Please make a list of people who suffered dire results that could have been avoided had they not visited hilarious injury upon Ben.
Sayid? Nope.
Locke? Nope. Well, Ben killed him a few times but he would have done it anyway.
Did Jack or Sawyer ever lay hands upon Ben?
There is basically no downside to smacking Ben with an oar.

Seems like Sun is going to die anyway though based on Charlotte's warning not to bring her back to the island. I will eat my hat if the cause of death is retaliation for oar-smacking. In fact, since she is going to die anyway, she should get her oar smacks in while the smacking's good.

I have a feeling Sayid will die this season--and Ben will kill him.

i dont think i could deal w/that

Jack gave Ben a really savage beatdown when he thought Mr. Friendly had shot the 815ers on the beach.

Sayid is basically a pointless character now. Just a sad dude runnin' around in handcuffs with nothing to do.

in the preview for next week he says "now i know what im here to do"

I'm wondering if it has something to do with his wife's death - it's a pretty big reason why he's in the place he's in now, and he did mention her in the Bentham episode. We never did find out exactly why she was killed (Ben or Widmore did it?). Sayid's story arc started out trying to redeem himself for all the torture he conducted in Iraq (concurrent with uh, more torture on the island I guess). He was rewarded by escaping the island and finally hooking up with his wife... only to lose her and go on to murder people again. I think there's a lot of story and character potential to be mined there, there have been a lot of gaps in his story.

I wouldn't be too shocked if they killed him off as a result of these "bad" things, though. Disappointed, but not shocked.

loved the Sawyer scene...

I THINK, IN FACT I'M THINKING RIGHT NOW, EVER TRIED THINKING JACK....I THINK YOU MIGHT FIND IT'S USEFUL

Interesting stuff on the Official Podcast--

They blame Rebecca Mader for changing Charlotte's birthdate from 1970 to 1979 onset.

"He's Our You" refers to Sayyid meeting Dharma's torturer.

Sayid is so dying - he's the only one who hasn't had the rules of time travel explained to him = he'll try to kill Ben and get fucked.

It's either they kill Sayid or they kill Hurley or Sawyer for maximum weepy potential. But I like the idea that adult Ben has been manipulating Sayid all this time just to punish him for something that happened as a child.

I don't think the island is protecting Ben anymore.

Anyone else notice Kate asking Jack what they were supposed to do now, and new Man of Faith Jack Shepherd putting his hands on his hips and staring serenely out to sea and doing the full John Locke "I am waiting for a sign" pose?

Where did all those extra redshirts come from? I don't remember there being that many people on the plane? I liked Cesar being all "what do we do?" and Sun and Frank slipping off in a 'been there done that?' way.

I don't think the island is protecting Ben anymore.

Then why did it heal his arm?

Doesn't it heal up everybody's cancer or sperm count or whatever, separately from protecting whoever is determined to be "the one"?

Doesn't it heal up everybody's cancer or sperm count or whatever, separately from protecting whoever is determined to be "the one"?

Well, for awhile the island was actually giving Ben cancer.

Ben's been protecting himself more than anything else. I'm not sure how much the island has had to do with it.

Loved the episode, it seemed so straight forward in the Lost sense, which was a nice change.

Really dreading the loss of Faraday though, if he's really a goner :( And Sawyer - having been on the island three years now - really seems to get into the whole Dharma things. Sure, he helped Jack/Kate/Hurley, but the way he brushed off Jack was all "look, you don't even know when you are, I do, so stick with me or die". I wonder if Sawyer's sympathy will go out more to Dharma and his new 'family'-life then to the 815'ers at this point. Which would do my head in!

"take a load off, you want a beer?" was great too

Loved the episode!
What I really like about this season so far is how the 815ers finally seem to know more about what the hell is going on than everyone else around them!
Still a bit unclear about why the O6 came back though (apart from Sun I guess)
The idea is that they went back to save those that were left behind: so when they get there and find that they are fine (if not better!) aren't they feeling a bit pissed?
Was the whole idea that Locke was wrong - he thought he needed to bring the O6 back to stop the time-jumping..but in fact, all he needed to do was push the donkey wheel back on it's axis?

I have to say I feel my lust for answers/knowledge utterly disintegrating. Not that I'm enjoying the show less, far from it, just there are too many questions and they'll answer many of them whatever the hell way they want.

Yeah I'm starting to feel a bit like that too - but it's actually quite nice just to sit back and enjoy watching.
Plus these new episodes have been full of loads of references to previous series and in-jokes so it feels fairly rewarding watching anyway.

yeah definitely, my watching is a lot more relaxed now, I guess it's got to a stage where they're comfortable just playing to the diehard fans.

didn't want this episode to end - so much fun to be had from characters pretending not to know each other.

i am hoping LaFleur will use a Star Wars nickname on Radzinski who will then retort "wait that movie didn't come out until a few weeks after you got here"

looooved the runway making sense after all. can't wait for the dharma drop explanation.

i wonder how much of the runway was built because somebody (ben?) knew that a plane was going to crash there carrying important people.

I'm wondering how Ben knew though, since the plane landing happens three years later in the future island time, and not the past. Maybe Jacob is the only one to flash forward to the future or -- and this might make even more sense -- he is from the future and the cabin appears at the location where he's currently flashing back in the past?

Jacob LaFleur, old man from 2025, jumps to the Dharma initiative to have his dad's buddy Horace build a cabin.

Frank and co-pilot hearing the Numbers over radio as the plane goes down-- picking up transmission from the past?

Shit, the runway! Remember Juliet joking it was 'for the aliens' - she couldn't have known the real reason right, but surely they questioned it srsly...

This show has really taken a turn for the awesome.

I had this batshit argument with a co-worker who insists that it's impossible for Ben to be alive on the island in both 1977 and in 2007, which ended with me shouting, "You were working in this office in 1982 and in 2009, weren't you? Did that rip the universe in half?"

Can you be sure it didn't?

*spooky music*

L O S T

I dunno about young Ben meeting Sayid tho. why would they let a child into the place where they've keeping a hostile prisoner?

damn hippies