"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

They overplayed the awkwardness between Jack & Juliet a bit. I mean they just flirted and kissed like one time three years earlier.

― President Keyes, Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:17 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

they still totally hav boners for each other tho

i think my favourite line this ep was lapidus telling sun about how they had to bring a whole freighter of commandos just to capture ben, and ben replying "oh yeah? and how did that work out for you?". dude's so fucking scary. anyone notice he took off his cast? was he faking it or did the island heal him?

he tested his arm - island heald him seems

and yah that line was super sweet

Well, I guess Jin can’t be as chilled out as my description of hippie implies, since he’s a security guy on a mystical island inhabited by hostiles and Radzinskis… but he’s been steadily developing into Sensitive Guy since they crashed on the island, whereas Sun has become colder and more calculating since she’s left the island (out of necessity, sure, but the same can be said of Jin’s pre-island behaviour)

I forgot about Sawyer reading in his jail cell – thanks! I’m sure a lot of his behaviour can be attributed to his wits but I do feel like he’s a lot smarter than he puts on, as are most con men. Don’t forget, he knows a lot about Little House on the Prairie! Only geeks watched that show! (And guys who live in trailer parks with their Grandmas…)

Definite LOLs at Ben’s “how did that work out for you?” line, yeah. I also liked Sun’s “I lied,” I wonder how many times in the history of Lost people have uttered that one..

lol yeah only ben ever admits to lying - for everyone else's own good, of course.

sun and jin's characters arcs feel about right - they show sun as a cold, calculating child who grew up to be a meek and submissive wife and daughter (that one affair notwithstanding), and jin as a quiet fisherman's son who grew to be cold and angry as a result of his marriage to sun. and then they changed again on the island. i think they're roughly the same character types really.

characters arcs*

anyone notice he took off his cast? was he faking it or did the island heal him?

The events of the previous episode, where he was in the bed, post-date this episode. By the time Locke sees him in the makeshift hospital room, he's already been wacked unconscious by Sun, since Sun and Lapides are already gone.

Sawyer '77 is great, like he finally could stop running and conning people, shack up with a woman he likes, has people respect him (they made a point of someone saying LaFleur is great at his job and Jack looking confused), and gets to chill out and read a lot on a tropical island. Then Jack and Kate show up and wreck it all.

And it's been too long, but what was the deal with the two islands again? The Others were on a separate island from where 815 crashed, right?

The other island is the Hydra, which is where Sawyer, Kate, and Jack were held captive in S3.

The Hydra is also where Ajira Airways crashed.

The main island is where 815 crashed and where the Others are.

It kind of boggles my mind to think that after a full season, the 815s had just managed to get the first hatch open. The pace really picked up in S3 and S4.

Did anyone understand Frank's logic when he said you can't trust Ben because I was on a freighter full of people who wanted to kill him? Doesn't that make Frank look worse than Ben?

i think sawyer is comfortable in the mid-70's because his hairstyle fits with the time.

young ben not creepy enough.

shoulda got this kid:
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/09/01-07/oliver_l.jpg

or maybe some benjamin button cg.

Did anyone understand Frank's logic when he said you can't trust Ben because I was on a freighter full of people who wanted to kill him?

i think he meant that Ben was so dangerous they needed a team of military dudes just to capture him (they weren't trying to kill him).

Frank's logic was "this guy must be too dangerous to be trusted, considering what Widmore sent in to get him."

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Yeah, but wouldn't you feel safer around a guy a commando team couldn't capture?

Certainly it wouldn't be a good idea to hit him in the head with an oar.

why is this a bad idea? it worked, didn't it?

Huh? You have to kill Ben to stop him.

I thought he was one of those island/writer-earmarked untouchables like Locke that couldn't be killed.
In lieu of that, repeatedly braining him with heavy pieces of wood seems like the best strategy. Those commando dudes should have skipped on the ammo and brought hockey sticks.

But this is purely relying on the notion that Ben is too concerned with his Island-related mission to have time to exact revenge against people who hit him in the head with oars.

It kind of boggles my mind to think that after a full season, the 815s had just managed to get the first hatch open. The pace really picked up in S3 and S4.

I'm enjoying the quickened pace and this season is awesome so far, but sometimes I kinda miss the pace of the first season. It was cool to go into every episode thinking "will they finally bust that hatch open?", wondering what was in it. Whereas now 4-5 episode stretches will regularly occur without even touching certain plot lines.

better to treat Ben like a mortal enemy than to be in a position where he can manipulate you. he's most dangerous when he's convincing people to trust him. which he does, repeatedly. xp

Treating him as a mortal enemy didn't work out for Kimmi (or anyone else on the freighter.)

Or Abbaddon.

Ben seems to not really take bodily injury personally -- he only goes wrath of khan when you mess with his women.
Sayid mashed him but good but they all pals afterwards. Maybe Sayid will smack kid ben with a wiffle bat or something when he busts out.

keyes dude you're thinking about this way too much - all frank meant was that it's just safer to stay the fuck away from Ben. don't try to kill him but don't try to speak with him either, neither will turn out well.

I know--I was just reacting to the craziness of people thinking its a good idea to hit a dangerous guy in the head but not kill him.

looooved the runway making sense after all. can't wait for the dharma drop explanation.

Interesting how Jin & Sun have kind of switched places... Jin is a chilled out hippie (not that Sun was ever a hippie.. but you get my drift) and now Sun is a raging maniac ready to smack a bitch!

Heh, awesome. But true! Good insight from Roz too about Sun and Jin's character arcs going in similar directions that seem really natural and fitting with their origins, I think they've always had a better grasp on their flashbacks compared to many of the original 815ers, even with the more soap opera-ish elements.

Please make a list of people who suffered dire results that could have been avoided had they not visited hilarious injury upon Ben.
Sayid? Nope.
Locke? Nope. Well, Ben killed him a few times but he would have done it anyway.
Did Jack or Sawyer ever lay hands upon Ben?
There is basically no downside to smacking Ben with an oar.

Seems like Sun is going to die anyway though based on Charlotte's warning not to bring her back to the island. I will eat my hat if the cause of death is retaliation for oar-smacking. In fact, since she is going to die anyway, she should get her oar smacks in while the smacking's good.

I have a feeling Sayid will die this season--and Ben will kill him.

i dont think i could deal w/that

Jack gave Ben a really savage beatdown when he thought Mr. Friendly had shot the 815ers on the beach.

Sayid is basically a pointless character now. Just a sad dude runnin' around in handcuffs with nothing to do.

in the preview for next week he says "now i know what im here to do"

I'm wondering if it has something to do with his wife's death - it's a pretty big reason why he's in the place he's in now, and he did mention her in the Bentham episode. We never did find out exactly why she was killed (Ben or Widmore did it?). Sayid's story arc started out trying to redeem himself for all the torture he conducted in Iraq (concurrent with uh, more torture on the island I guess). He was rewarded by escaping the island and finally hooking up with his wife... only to lose her and go on to murder people again. I think there's a lot of story and character potential to be mined there, there have been a lot of gaps in his story.

I wouldn't be too shocked if they killed him off as a result of these "bad" things, though. Disappointed, but not shocked.

loved the Sawyer scene...

I THINK, IN FACT I'M THINKING RIGHT NOW, EVER TRIED THINKING JACK....I THINK YOU MIGHT FIND IT'S USEFUL

Interesting stuff on the Official Podcast--

They blame Rebecca Mader for changing Charlotte's birthdate from 1970 to 1979 onset.

"He's Our You" refers to Sayyid meeting Dharma's torturer.

Sayid is so dying - he's the only one who hasn't had the rules of time travel explained to him = he'll try to kill Ben and get fucked.

It's either they kill Sayid or they kill Hurley or Sawyer for maximum weepy potential. But I like the idea that adult Ben has been manipulating Sayid all this time just to punish him for something that happened as a child.

I don't think the island is protecting Ben anymore.

Anyone else notice Kate asking Jack what they were supposed to do now, and new Man of Faith Jack Shepherd putting his hands on his hips and staring serenely out to sea and doing the full John Locke "I am waiting for a sign" pose?

Where did all those extra redshirts come from? I don't remember there being that many people on the plane? I liked Cesar being all "what do we do?" and Sun and Frank slipping off in a 'been there done that?' way.

I don't think the island is protecting Ben anymore.

Then why did it heal his arm?

Doesn't it heal up everybody's cancer or sperm count or whatever, separately from protecting whoever is determined to be "the one"?

Doesn't it heal up everybody's cancer or sperm count or whatever, separately from protecting whoever is determined to be "the one"?

Well, for awhile the island was actually giving Ben cancer.

Ben's been protecting himself more than anything else. I'm not sure how much the island has had to do with it.

Loved the episode, it seemed so straight forward in the Lost sense, which was a nice change.

Really dreading the loss of Faraday though, if he's really a goner :( And Sawyer - having been on the island three years now - really seems to get into the whole Dharma things. Sure, he helped Jack/Kate/Hurley, but the way he brushed off Jack was all "look, you don't even know when you are, I do, so stick with me or die". I wonder if Sawyer's sympathy will go out more to Dharma and his new 'family'-life then to the 815'ers at this point. Which would do my head in!

"take a load off, you want a beer?" was great too