"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

6. He went crazy/kept time travelling somehow? That was my immediate thought. Remember, we saw him working to build the Orchid at the beginning of this season.

sawyer was a little hard on jack - shouldve been just all dont worry dude get a good nights sleep everything will be explained - they need to work together

lol @ everything in this ep tho basically - seeing the old dharma culture is super sweet

this whole season has been pretty great

I like that Sawyer is sort of pissed that his Dharma set-up is in peril. I'd have expected him to stand up to Razinsky a little more--I mean, he is the Head of Security, not just some guard--but he's totally into Dharma, calling them "my people." I guess 3 years outweighs 3 months with the 815ers.

Oooh, maybe Faraday got assigned the role of scientist (he’d make a pretty shitty janitor with that nervous tic, nothing would ever be cleaned properly) and he’s off island, building the Dharma station in LA where we saw Eloise.

Or maybe HE'S the horse!!

where are we supposed to know razinsky from?

He drew the map on the blast door.

& edited the "don't communicate to other stations via computer" bit out of the orientation video, randomly

he was desmonds button pushing partners previous partner - killed himself

Yes, he seemed troubled.

just read a VERY MINOR SPOILER

season 5 finale is called The Incident Parts 1 & 2!

they should just kill ben now

Sayid might! He's COLD.

They can't (in the past), but they might try. Hopefully it won't be a circular explanation for why Ben is evil.

I don't think we need one! Having your father hate and resent you all your life is plenty, don't you think?

it would be awesome if ben particularly hated the o6 cause they tried to off him as a kid

Or if he killed Nadia to get back at Sayyid.

sawyer's line about not playing Nostradamus made me think they (the ones who were left behind) might have already contemplated the possibility of killing little Ben. I'm pretty sure they'd know the creepy little kid with no friends.

prediction: Sayid kills Annie

Bookworm Sawyer smacking down Jack and claiming to be "a thinker" (as opposed to Jack's primordial brain stem snap responsiveness?) was a little bit of a stretch. Even Jack sorta rolled his eyes at that one, but I'm wondering if we're supposed to see Sawyer as someone who has become a bit of a megalomaniac in the mid-70s or if he really has honed his leadership skillz. What's with Juliet answering the door and then quickly bowing out to another room? Doesn't she know Jack and Sawyer well enough to chill out in the living room with them?

apparently she feels some awkwardness re: jack's return and wanted to leave the boys alone

kate and juliet just need to do boyfriend swap and everything will be cool

Maybe "The Incident, Pt. 1" is the wild tequila party/boyfriend swap and "Pt. 2" is the four of them arguing about it the next morning.

haa yes! what w/losts sterling record of taking shit to the next level i could see this happening

I guess 3 years outweighs 3 months with the 815ers.

God, I hope so. If they get into heavy relationship drama, I'm going to be pissed off. Sawyer had some fling with Kate, who's a trouble-magnet attention whore three years ago. Jim LaFleur's got a relatively stable life and, hopefully, is now above all this petty horseshit. Even back then, he was more logical about his choices and less snap judgement than Jack.

Sawyer's "Churchill used to read a book every night during the Blitz" speech was Ben-worthy.

Thinking on that a little more...the Sawyer of three years earlier probably wouldn't even have known what the Blitz was. That "chill the fuck out, Jack, I got this" scene is my favorite from the episode, except for Sun clocking Ben.

I don't think that it's fair to say Sawyer wouldn't have known what the blitz was – he’s always been portrayed as a brainy good for nothing (some of his nicknames have been more nuanced than iHOP, we see him doing a lot of reading, he’s a great strategist)

Interesting how Jin & Sun have kind of switched places... Jin is a chilled out hippie (not that Sun was ever a hippie.. but you get my drift) and now Sun is a raging maniac ready to smack a bitch!

I always thought of him as running on instincts rather than brains until the island forced him to slow down. That season-one scene of him reading a book made it kind of look like that was a totally new experience for him.

They overplayed the awkwardness between Jack & Juliet a bit. I mean they just flirted and kissed like one time three years earlier.

dharma group jin doesn't seem particularly chilled out to me

xxp no way, sawyer's been portrayed reading in flashbacks too - okay one flashback, where he reads Of Mice and Men in jail. but yeah, i agree with FFM, he's the guy who's constantly railing against the dumb redneck stereotype.

They overplayed the awkwardness between Jack & Juliet a bit. I mean they just flirted and kissed like one time three years earlier.

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they still totally hav boners for each other tho

i think my favourite line this ep was lapidus telling sun about how they had to bring a whole freighter of commandos just to capture ben, and ben replying "oh yeah? and how did that work out for you?". dude's so fucking scary. anyone notice he took off his cast? was he faking it or did the island heal him?

he tested his arm - island heald him seems

and yah that line was super sweet

Well, I guess Jin can’t be as chilled out as my description of hippie implies, since he’s a security guy on a mystical island inhabited by hostiles and Radzinskis… but he’s been steadily developing into Sensitive Guy since they crashed on the island, whereas Sun has become colder and more calculating since she’s left the island (out of necessity, sure, but the same can be said of Jin’s pre-island behaviour)

I forgot about Sawyer reading in his jail cell – thanks! I’m sure a lot of his behaviour can be attributed to his wits but I do feel like he’s a lot smarter than he puts on, as are most con men. Don’t forget, he knows a lot about Little House on the Prairie! Only geeks watched that show! (And guys who live in trailer parks with their Grandmas…)

Definite LOLs at Ben’s “how did that work out for you?” line, yeah. I also liked Sun’s “I lied,” I wonder how many times in the history of Lost people have uttered that one..

lol yeah only ben ever admits to lying - for everyone else's own good, of course.

sun and jin's characters arcs feel about right - they show sun as a cold, calculating child who grew up to be a meek and submissive wife and daughter (that one affair notwithstanding), and jin as a quiet fisherman's son who grew to be cold and angry as a result of his marriage to sun. and then they changed again on the island. i think they're roughly the same character types really.

characters arcs*

anyone notice he took off his cast? was he faking it or did the island heal him?

The events of the previous episode, where he was in the bed, post-date this episode. By the time Locke sees him in the makeshift hospital room, he's already been wacked unconscious by Sun, since Sun and Lapides are already gone.

Sawyer '77 is great, like he finally could stop running and conning people, shack up with a woman he likes, has people respect him (they made a point of someone saying LaFleur is great at his job and Jack looking confused), and gets to chill out and read a lot on a tropical island. Then Jack and Kate show up and wreck it all.

And it's been too long, but what was the deal with the two islands again? The Others were on a separate island from where 815 crashed, right?

The other island is the Hydra, which is where Sawyer, Kate, and Jack were held captive in S3.

The Hydra is also where Ajira Airways crashed.

The main island is where 815 crashed and where the Others are.

It kind of boggles my mind to think that after a full season, the 815s had just managed to get the first hatch open. The pace really picked up in S3 and S4.

Did anyone understand Frank's logic when he said you can't trust Ben because I was on a freighter full of people who wanted to kill him? Doesn't that make Frank look worse than Ben?

i think sawyer is comfortable in the mid-70's because his hairstyle fits with the time.

young ben not creepy enough.

shoulda got this kid:
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/09/01-07/oliver_l.jpg

or maybe some benjamin button cg.

Did anyone understand Frank's logic when he said you can't trust Ben because I was on a freighter full of people who wanted to kill him?

i think he meant that Ben was so dangerous they needed a team of military dudes just to capture him (they weren't trying to kill him).

Frank's logic was "this guy must be too dangerous to be trusted, considering what Widmore sent in to get him."

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Yeah, but wouldn't you feel safer around a guy a commando team couldn't capture?