even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

don't strawman me, LL, and don't impute motives that speak to your preoccupations because you think it will undercut what i said. how is a person's society ever not up for observation and criticism by that person?

as contendo noted, there is obviously a prevalent socialization of girls into certain forms of behavior for which highly self-conscious and carefully constructed social-networking self-presentation seems to have a relevant affinity. i don't think there was anything out of place about noting that it was girls i encountered behaving in the way i described. i'm sorry there wasn't a table of boys there, but i'm not doing an objective field study, just relating an anecdote.

And you related your anecdote in a biased way, using words like "contriving," "nothing" happened or was discussed, "self-conscious obsession," "presentation," all words that have neutral usages but in combination and in a dismissive framing, are pointedly demeaning to the group and their behavior.

What if it was framed like: They were strengthening social bonds, using the tool of social media to build connections to high-status friends or figures they wanted alliances with, consolidating human relationship power into discrete nodes, whatever--oh suddenly they're performing strategic diplomacy or something high-falutin' like that! Whaddya know. The fact that a bunch of you who read this post may find that idea laughable is a pretty good demonstration of the problem with framing.

Morbs, I'm not even touching your "squealing idiocy" because I like to like you, and to address that seriously I'd have to see you in a way that I don't want to. You, sir, are straight trolling.

xp why should you presume that i am incapable of telling the difference between, for example, contriving and some other manner of doing something? if you are contending that it should not be possible to observe and describe what someone does as contriving to do something or other, without that description constituting an act of dismissal or demeaning, then i would question whether you are not operating under other assumptions that would bar people from making good-faith judgments about the most ordinary interactions.

io otm itt, also

you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going

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xp furthermore, i didn't say anything that denied that the group i saw could have been doing all the things i mentioned. but it's not clear that if they were, they couldn't be also doing them in a way (the way i described) that would have its own costs for the ways that people relate to each other, conceive of themselves, etc., and that that way would be open to critique.

this is an important conversation/argument and I am doing my best to refrain from derailing it but that quote is simply amazing

oh cmon, you wrote "total penetration"
you're just trying to be annoying! give it a rest
"i feel like i already complained about this..." --> maybe don't complain about it again?

everyone is so aggravated all the time
it's tiring

io so on the money.

http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/__NEW/CNBC/c_powerlunch_limitedbrandsontherise_100707.300w.jpg

getting a nice little debate about high-waist going

imo it's easy to forget that simply going to a coffee shop is a pretty exciting thing for a teenager to do, especially if surrounded by a bunch of other teenagers they know, and well, better preening and taking photos than demonstratively smoking 1000 cigarettes right beside you which is what i did at coffee shops when i was a teenager

god i was a fucking know-it-all dick #stillam

can't smoke in a coffee shop in 2014, though in Seattle maybe you can get away with vaping

top summer pastime around here is, like, "can I get away with vaping here"

After being in Seattle twice last month, the answer to that seems to be a perpetual and enthusiastic "yes".

vaping indoors really isn't much better than smoking and I wish it weren't encouraged

teens being bored and boring shocker. remember being on the phone for hours at home and your ear would hurt and you'd have to switch to your other ear? the internet has saved our ears.

i remember long-distance phone bills in the hundreds of dollars.

i basically forfeited my allowance for a year because of a particularly intense long-distance relationship i had with a girl in johnson city.

i had one of those too (only after the long distance charges for the place i called had been discontinued, thankfully) but i don't think the fact that it was over the phone means that there is nothing significantly different and worth questioning about contemporary habits of online identity presentation and social interaction.

"Social media might be ... bad!?!? ... for human interaction" isn't really worth discussing any further in 2014.

i value your contributions to ilx as well, thank you for sharing them and helping to make it an inviting place for conversation

We could have a conversation about a dude by himself in a coffee shop "observing" teenage girls if you want.

or the use of "scare quotes" to make "insinuations", its a cornucopia in here

we could have a conversation about you fucking off, NA. what are you adding here? what is it you seek to gain, other than shutting others down?

you guys sound like a gaggle of teenyboppers.

You can gaggle on my teenyboppers.

That was inappropriate and disgusting but it was right there. Sorry.

no way it was hot

big up idiots teens 4 eva

holla @ scott seward for making me nostalgic about "phone ear"

teens rule, grownups drool

the entire fucking Friday frontpage art section is dominated by two pieces discussing "when is it too late to enter the theater" and "when is it okay to leave the theater before the show is over"

the urls alone
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/arts/spectators-walk-out-of-a-show-for-many-reasons.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/arts/dance/latecomers-to-the-theater-always-step-on-toes.html

The curtain rose five minutes ago, the corps de ballet is building the atmosphere, the ballerina is about to enter, the audience is collecting itself in mounting excitement when — — “Excuse me, I’m so sorry.” Upheaval follows. Sometimes eight people have to rise or adjust themselves as the patrons claiming the ninth and 10th seats make their way past.

Sherry Nicholson, a retired commercial-property manager in Ijamsville, Md., came to see Jimmy Buffett at a concert in Virginia but left early. The fault lay with the parrotheads, not the performer. “Everyone was standing up, hollering the words to the songs,” she said. “I didn’t come to hear them or see their backs.”

Cheryl Bohlin, a dealer in vintage clothing and used books, left Jack White’s concert at Radio City, despite spending $150 on a ticket, when Mr. White turned aggressive. “I guess he was offended by the look of us,” Ms. Bohlin said. “He said, ‘You all bought your tickets on StubHub, you’re an NPR crowd.”

“Everyone was standing up, hollering the words to the songs,”

I'll never get the sound out of my fur coat

nice

:D

its like those two articles were written just for us.

for the record it was "NPR convention".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXuPj9FEadg

that was the show where he played for 45 minutes and left because he hated everyone.

would be great if he did that at all his shows

:)

who does he think buys his "records"?

io, tbqh, i don't like "squealing idiocies" when they come out of the mouths of hegemonic 38-year-old faggots either.

We need a dedicated NYT Real Estate thread imo

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/realestate/a-brooklyn-apartment-search-ends-in-crown-heights.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

Her studio was tiny but had a balcony, though she rarely used it because the ambient street noise was annoyingly loud when she sat out there with her computer.

Disappointed, she checked out another small Park Slope building, this one on Carroll Street. There she saw a tiny ground-floor studio for $1,800 a month. “You pay for the neighborhood,” Ms. Fuchimoto said.

The room had a quaint bay window protected by handsome bars, but Ms. Hartley didn’t want bars on the windows, no matter how nice they were.

A $2,000-a-month studio on Court Street in Brooklyn Heights was in the thick of a busy neighborhood. Popeyes chicken was downstairs; McDonald’s was next door. Ms. Hartley worried about noise and odors. “I wasn’t into it,” she said. “You go out and it is just jammed with people.”

She was tempted to take an attic one-bedroom on Schermerhorn Street in Brooklyn Heights, also for $2,000 a month, even though it was the strangest apartment she had ever seen.

...

There was no buzzer, however, so when friends visited she would need to go downstairs to let them in.

Every sentence is amazing.

Yeah

Most quid part: The landlord, however, would not accept guarantors or co-signers outside the tristate area, and Ms. Hartley, who is from the Twin Cities in Minnesota, has an arrangement with her parents to pay her rent until she finishes school, at which point she will begin paying them back.