HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

Cat's dad.

also, has anyone in the history of westeros ever died of natural causes?

― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, June 17, 2014 10:17 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

had to look it up but according to the game of thrones wiki:

Bran arranged for Osha to bring Rickon to the holdfast of Greatjon Umber, the Lord of Last Hearth and the head of House Umber. Lord Umber was a loyal ally of the Starks. This arrangement also suited Osha because she was unwilling to travel to the north with Bran and company due to the threat of the White Walkers.

so presumably rickon and osha are chilling with the Umbers.

i have no idea who the umbers are but cool, glad to have that explained without going on a spoiler-ful google search of my own.

they're just some loyal vassals of house stark, or i guess were vassals of house stark since there basically is no house stark anymore. back in season one when that one big dude kinda talked down to Robb when the war was beginning and Robb's wolf ended up biting the guy's finger(s?) off, that dude was Greatjon Umber i think.

ahhh that guy.

feels a bit like my wild binge on this show has desensitized me to, well, everything. if i commit any inhumanly monstrous acts over the next couple of days i'm pinning the blame entirely on grrm.

Guns don't kill people, GRRM does.

at least if i try to crush someone's skull with my hands they'll probably come out of it okay.

the end of this season seems remarkably open-ended, i'm not really sure what i should be anticipating. tyrion's off somewhere to do something, arya likewise, king's landing's in unpredictable turmoil (handy for the tyrells, i suppose), stannis and jon will be chilling together till the white walkers appear, bran will keep chomping down the peyote...

I think that's the best way to get into the show honestly. I did two seasons in one or two days and I wanted more. Unfortunately, season 3 was new and pretty expensive and I didn't have internet. I ended up turning to the streets. Going up to strangers asking "Hey man you got any season 3? Maybe a minute clip? I'll even take deleted scenes"

things got dark, lonely..

ha. yeah tbh i'm not even sure how much i like the show, but nevertheless i couldn't stop putting on episode after episode.

Is Melisandre old enough to be Jon Snow's mother? That was a weird look she was giving him.

can anyone remember exactly what Caitlin and Ned have said about Jon's mother? have there been any hints at all about who she might be?

Ned refused to tell Cat who she was, Cat surmised it was a whore.

there's a ton of hints in the book by this point but they haven't really carried any of them through to the show. all we know show-wise is that ned came back from fighting in robert's war with baby jon, told cat that jon was his bastard son and refused to tell her who the mother was.

a lot of discussion *around* this topic on this thread at the start of the season. still feel like the show is dropping the ball on this though. and the historical context more generally!

this is the popular theory fwiw seems like its prob true http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/548862/20140421/game-thrones-history-jon-snow-spoilers.htm

i dont actually know whether i'm allowed to expound on that in this thread, since jon's parents havent been revealed yet in the books so everything beyond what i just posted is technically just speculation, but there's a very well-supported theory that is a lot more obvious to Book Readers who have a better grasp of the backstory

yeah. I don't think melisandre necessarily knows what Jon's whole deal is, but I think she sees a that there is *something* important about him.

Don't forget that Melisandre claims to be able to prognosticate the future in her flames *hint hint*

shes totally gonna bone the hell out of jon snow

she's gonna bone the hell INTO him

o sht

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isn't there a theory that Jon might also be who melisandre thinks Stannis is? (or perhaps who she is manipulating him into thinking he is)

Nah

There was a line on the show this season from Oberyn that some fans took as a hint about Jon Snow's parentage

can we speculate here or is that spoilery?

if Jon Snow's mother was the person suggested in this link: http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/548862/20140421/game-thrones-history-jon-snow-spoilers.htm, why would Ned have to make up a story about Jon (and keep it from his wife, who resented Jon as a bastard)?

I figure if it hasn't been revealed in the books yet, then it's a theory, not a spoiler

That's the one that makes the most sense, I think.

why would Ned have to make up a story about Jon (and keep it from his wife, who resented Jon as a bastard)?

presumably to protect him from Robert Baratheon.

x-post: Well, it probably had something to do with what Oberyn was so mad about. Hope that is not too obscure.

presumably to protect him from Robert Baratheon.

― ryan, Wednesday, June 18, 2014 12:03 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yep also iirc ned never actually made up a story he just brought he kid back and was all this is jon snow and that was it

there was a scene where ned and robert were talking about some lady ned had sex with during the war. ned was guarded about it, cuold have been making it up, just bro-talk.

Oh hai guys i'm back, this is jon don't mind him. Where's my goblet?

but why wouldn't Ned tell Catelyn the truth, even if he needed a public cover story to protect the kid? Kind of weird to let your wife think that you fathered a child with a prostitute when the truth would be something she's totally cool with; plus she hated Jon (from what little I remember of the couple of chapters of the first book I got through) and it was a bit of a strain on the family not Ned-style to let that fester

the promise he made to his sister mightve been to not tell anyone

He didn't know Catelyn that well back then, right? They were married pretty quickly, after the death of Ned's older brother.

Also, the parentage of Jon Snow totally wouldn't have been as mysterious if Ned had told more people about it.

he prob made a vow to his sister that superceded being honest to his wife.

he's shown as being pretty torn up about SOMETHING relating to his sister all through the first book.

ned is so unchill

I suppose - just seemed like he trusted her enough to loop her in on that secret at some point in the 17 years or so after he brought home a baby... though I guess there's a case for him knowing Catelyn is a bit of a walking disaster zone - basically every single move after Ned splits Winterfell ends up tipping off all kinds of death and destruction, so maybe he would keep her in the dark on info that could have big ramificatons

there's an interesting theme running throughout about maternal love being kind of intrinsically fucked up--almost every mother on the show is at minimum causing big problems and putting their kids ahead of more...universal...ethical obligations. (maybe the "myhsa" stuff contradicts that though)

ned has v high moral standards is what it comes down to he wldnt break a promise to his dead sister

lol for days at the image of ned showing up at the castle, plunking an infant down on the table and saying "here's jon snow, i'll be in the godswood if you need me."

thats what happened m/l!

he really hung out in that godswood a lot, honing his sword

huh, i hadn't thought about that mothers thing - Cersei's a disaster - and most dangerous to the world through her actions as a mom, Catelyn is sympathetic but did fuck shit up, Lyssa was a nutcase and her over-mothering is specifically one of her big problems... are there any good living mothers in this story?

Gilly?

mother of dragons

smoke baby mom

Diana Rigg seems like a pretty chill grandma

Are their any good fathers? Parents are fucking shit up all over the place.