― tarden, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I don't know. Despite the fact that I have quite a lot of masculine tendencies and characteristics, I often find mens behaviour perplexing in this regard. (Maybe I just find human behaviour perplexing... I often feel like an anthrolopogist on Mars when I am forced to spend vast amounts of time around very stereotypically feminine females.)
― masonic boom, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nick, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Rock Culture and Feminism and Queer Culture have given all this a massive nudge, but thyere'sd an awful lot still swirling round unexmained.
― mark s, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― chris, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I think the reason why you see this - and I'm going to just discuss it on the Internet because I know no men like this in real life - is because certain men are very inept with women, have been rejected by women, "can't get laid" to put it in coarse terms, and thus are angry and blame the women. Someone else said this up thread, so there you go. It works both ways, I know loads of women who hate men, and they all make comments along the lines of "Men only date skinny bimbo bitch women" and that sort of thing, ie men aren't dating me therefore it's their fault and I hate them.
It's all a matter of getting laid, basically. Get these people a good fuck and they'll shut up.
― Ally, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
So why is it that the worst mysogenists I know are the ones that get laid ALL THE TIME and continue to treat women like dirt and pieces of tissue and show no respect at all?
And the worst man-haters I know, similarly, are often the biggest sluts?
Sexuality can be an expression of hatred just as easily as it can be a cause of it.
― Tom, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
The guy who ruined his life by writing a book (Neil something, I think): No, he had ALREADY ruined his life by being a complete jerk unable to take responsibility for his own jerkiness towards eg his wife, and most of the the disasters Chris noted happened before the book (and indeed, were most of the contents of it). (Assuming we're talking abt the same fellow: the account he gave of himself on TV was a pitiful whiny disaster... )
I still hold fast that get the people I specifically referenced a date (i.e. misogynistic internet saddos), and they'd knock it off significantly. There is a great big huge gray area between virgins and whores.
― Emma, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Patrick, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― the pinefox, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I can start naming names, if you like, in an ILM stylee, but that would be rude and inappropriate. The thing is, every single one I knew immediately became less negative once they actually went out and got some play. We aren't talking wife-beaters here or something, because it's something I know very little about, having been too young to witness a family member go thru it, and running out of the situation myself ASAP. I'm certain there are plenty of men who have loads and loads of sex who do it because they want to control women. But that's not my experience, and I have a hard time believing that I'm the only person who sees the big huge area between not having sex -> having a lot of sex with many people.
Quite frankly, I think all men are on some level misogynists, and I think all women are on some level men haters. Discuss.
― Paul Strange, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
(Please bear in mind, I said *most* women. Two or three of my bestest friends in the world are women, albeit sensible, non-girly women, not lipstick-wearing, handbag-oogling, shrieking Bridget Jones types...)
― Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I have no patience for people who bang on about lipstick or handbags. I'm sure you would have no patience for me if I started banging on about varying brands of Russian effects pedals, or vaccuume tube based amplification. It's a question of commonality of interests. If you take umbrage at being called a BJ type because you like lippie and handbags, then I apologise for calling you such.
But I still hate *most* women. No, scratch that. I'm a misanthrope, I hate *all* women, and all men, too.
― Paul Girly-Boy, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I don't like girly girls. I am not going to defend that statement. I just *never* seem to get along with them, no matter how much we have in common otherwise, they just irritate me.
Preoccupation with weight and the cult of the girly-girl... if it occupies your mind and soul to the point where you cannot even enjoy some of the basic pleasures of life, like Bouze and Chocolate, then screw it, yes, that means girly-girl. To not worry about it is almost impossible in this day and age and culture of thin-worship (yes, I'm aware of the irony of that statement, given my opinions on the skinny guy thread). Do I think about it more than about once a day, when I'm trying to get my jeans on over my hips? Nah, or I wouldn't be fat in the first place.
Girly girls are... I don't even know how to make a categorisation, because there's an exception to every rule. Generally, obessed with their appearance (often to the exclusion of very basic fun... "I can't eat cause I'm on a diet... I can't run cause I'm wearing stupid shoes"). Obsessed with boys, more with *catching* a boy, because she feels incomplete without one, as opposed to objectification of boys according to appearance or anything else. Obsessed with uber-feminine topics... babies, flowers, interior decorating.
All these things are generalisations, yes, but they're just examples of the sort of people that I do *NOT* get along with. I don't know if I'd get along with you, Emma, I haven't met you. From your online personna, I'd *guess* that you're not terrifically girly-girl according to the preconceptions and prejudices described above.
And for the record, I'm not insulting anyone, or having a go at anyone (see the whole "office people" misunderstanding, which was patently stupid, considering I was *working* in an office at the time) I am just stating MY PERSONAL BIAS about people I do and don't get along with.
End Of Rant.
My god, if this keeps up, I might just make it to the bottom of the stats cock by the end of the week!
― Kate the Saint, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I am scared of Saturday now in case I am wearing difficult-to-run-in shoes and you decide to beat me up.......
― Kim, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Besides, I think I'll be far too busy watching the DG/Mark S deathmatch to worry about beating anyone else up!
― AP, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Graham, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kerry, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Ned, you're just a bad little Episcopalian boy, aren't you?
― Abbott, Friday, 28 September 2007 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link
You know me and Anglican guilt.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 September 2007 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought the Anglicans spelled that 'gilt' or am I confusing them with another sect?
― Michael White, Friday, 28 September 2007 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link
That's an instant laugh catchphrase between my brother and I: "I'm just a baaaaaaaaaad widdle Episcopawian boy."
― Abbott, Friday, 28 September 2007 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Is Ned covered in GOLD? He never gave up on his soul? Is he indestructible?
What's the old joke about the guy being shown around hell? In one lake of fire are the Catholics who ate meat on Fridays. In another are the Baptists who danced. In the last, the Episcopalians who used the wrong fork at luncheon.
― Michael White, Friday, 28 September 2007 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Sounds about right!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 September 2007 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought Episcopal was totally the party church, how did I get this idea and is it wrong?
― Abbott, Friday, 28 September 2007 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link
They certainly have the gin thing down imo, Abbott.
― Michael White, Friday, 28 September 2007 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Is there a really non-ecumenical/non-non-denominational church that's totally the party church? I want to check this out. (I at one point thought it might be the Unitarian Church but recent events lead me to think they are group therapy in a church.)
― Abbott, Friday, 28 September 2007 20:04 (sixteen years ago) link
My very sensible friend who is raising her sons sans religion but herself has an excellent sense of the interconnectedness/cosmos/Stuff That Matters was raised a Unitarian Universalist, I think, and is v happy with it.
― Laurel, Friday, 28 September 2007 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes, it sounds very nice and appealing, a spirituality that sounds fairly tailored to my needs. BUT is it a party church?
― Abbott, Friday, 28 September 2007 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I get the impression it's pretty much whatever you need it to be...?
― Laurel, Friday, 28 September 2007 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
As religion should be!
― kenan, Friday, 28 September 2007 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
"I'm looking for a church that encourages various acts of sodomy."
― Michael White, Friday, 28 September 2007 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
I think actually the closest to party churches would be huge megachurches with social groups for every age and interest, but then you might have to be willing to accept pretty fundamentalist theology. (I go for the Episcopalian mellowness instead.)
― Maria, Friday, 28 September 2007 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link
I believe many religions encourage sexual deviance, they just don't condone it.
― kenan, Friday, 28 September 2007 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
the kenanical interpretation
― latebloomer, Friday, 28 September 2007 21:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Fundamentalism makes you freaky, proven by science
― kenan, Friday, 28 September 2007 21:18 (sixteen years ago) link
My mom is involved in a church where they all choose silly hats from a box before the service, and sing selections from musicals instead of hymns. I'm afraid to ask her what its called.
― Jaq, Friday, 28 September 2007 21:20 (sixteen years ago) link
high school theater
― ghost rider, Friday, 28 September 2007 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link
quite possibly.
― Jaq, Friday, 28 September 2007 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Some women hate men because they have been physically and mentally abused; same thing with men. Case solved.
― Jeb, Friday, 28 September 2007 22:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Some men think they hate women, when they really hate themselves.
― libcrypt, Saturday, 29 September 2007 05:32 (sixteen years ago) link
why do some women hate
― darraghmac, Saturday, 29 September 2007 13:07 (sixteen years ago) link
either way, it's really charming.
― kenan, Saturday, 29 September 2007 13:23 (sixteen years ago) link
What religion has the most scope for parties?
― ogmor, Saturday, 29 September 2007 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link
mormons have some barn burners I hear
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 29 September 2007 18:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Really I just want a piece of this http://www.badmovieplanet.com/inferno/archives/infernocam/wick8.JPG
― ogmor, Saturday, 29 September 2007 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
I think men and women get a raw deal sometime, but men are less able to speak out.
― mei, Monday, 1 October 2007 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link
oh bull
― kenan, Monday, 1 October 2007 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't hate women. the girl who cheated on me a few years ago is one exception, though.
― omar little, Monday, 1 October 2007 17:30 (sixteen years ago) link
kabbalists clearly win partying category
http://joshuasjukebox.com/blog1/images/Britney-Madonna-MTV-VideoAwards-2003.jpg
― sunny successor, Monday, 1 October 2007 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link
I think men and women get a raw deal sometime, but men are less able to speak out. -- mei, Monday, 1 October 2007 16:12 (1 hour ago) Link
oh bull -- kenan, Monday, 1 October 2007 16:14 (1 hour ago) Link
Recursive LOL. As a man I speak out about what I percieve to be men's situation and get stomped.
― mei, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link
That is such amazing irony that I'm sure it was planned.
― HI DERE, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link
He was a h8r boi She said 'see ya l8r boi'
― Abbott, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
i just read "various" in m. white's post as "vicious"
― gff, Monday, 1 October 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm
― mayhaps, Monday, 1 October 2007 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link
http://blingkits.com/DVD%20DVD/Menstruation/Menstration6.jpg
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Surely, surely, surely we got this sorted?
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:29 (seven years ago) link
in binders, iirc
― brimstead, Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:30 (seven years ago) link
Hiyoo
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:41 (seven years ago) link
Why Do (some) People Ask Overly-Broad Questions on Message Boards?
I mean, really now.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:42 (seven years ago) link
It draws the crowd, eventually they get around to the pitch (which almost always disappoints)
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:43 (seven years ago) link
They see in women a constant, painful reminder of their own incipient boobage.
― Two Kisses and Three Wet Mouths (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 August 2016 04:13 (seven years ago) link
(not all) Men
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 25 August 2016 04:14 (seven years ago) link