"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

so did yall notice on the wiki page what the heiroglyphic symbol for Horus is

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_G5.png

the lil bird that came up on the number-flipper when they didn't hit the button

No Rose & Bernard visible in the Dharma compound--probably with the Others?

Call me cold hearted, but I kinda hope that Rose & Bernard have been sucked into some black hole vacuum & remain there for the rest of the series.

― Ricky Apples (Pillbox), Friday, February 6, 2009 7:32 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

See, I would rather watch them die, personally.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, February 6, 2009 7:33 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'd like to see Walt fling birds at them with his mind.

― Local Garda, Friday, February 6, 2009 7:35 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

love your username PB, at least once a day I ask my boyfriend "I have two ears and a heart, don't I?"

damn I can't wait for THIS episode

By the Nineteenth dynasty, the enmity between Set and Horus, in which Horus had ripped off one of Set's testicles, was represented as a separate tale. According to Papyrus Chester-Beatty I, Set is depicted as trying to prove his dominance by seducing Horus and then having intercourse with him. However, Horus places his hand between his thighs and catches Set's semen, then subsequently throws it in the river, so that he may not be said to have been inseminated by Set. Horus then deliberately spreads his own semen on some lettuce, which was Set's favorite food (the Egyptians thought that lettuce was phallic). After Set has eaten the lettuce, they go to the gods to try to settle the argument over the rule of Egypt. The gods first listen to Set's claim of dominance over Horus, and call his semen forth, but it answers from the river, invalidating his claim. Then, the gods listen to Horus' claim of having dominated Set, and call his semen forth, and it answers from inside Set.[9]

xpost: why thank you Jane, She is a Clerk

xpost On the podcast Damon & Carlton said that Rose & Bernard are not dead. So they have to be somewheres.

curses!

"I'm gone ten minutes and you're having a hootenanny?!?"

^^ love this guy as creepy dude in David Lynch film

I'm getting kind of tired of internet losties getting their panties in a twist about symbolism and details and trying to predict shit with it. Other than really obvious ones (Jeremy Bentham's corpse on display -> Locke's corpse on display) these never really pan out into plot-predicting bits, the writers just throw shit in. Two Egyptian references do not a plot revelation make.
(expecting to be wrong on this)

I love how whenever Miles gets an order he's still all about "uh, why don't you... whatever you said."

Dude- we've been seeing hieroglyphics since SSN 2 at least.

Of course all the religion symbolism is going to end up being just that. It'll end up being as simple as good vs. evil and who is on which side. Horus, for the Egyptians, was good, and his enemy Set was evil (his red hair proved it.)

(his red hair proved it.) - OMG Charlotte is eeeevil.

Oh right I couldn't work out why Sawyer called Daniel 'Play-doh'.

Loved the big statue tease.
Was Paul meant to be anyone significant?
I know it's only me who finds this completely hilarious but they are going right out of their way now to hide everyone's heads until the last possible millisecond reveal - even when you know who it's going to be like Juliet under that van. Bag over Michelle Dessler's head was getting desperate.
This is totally a dumb question but how do we know it's 1974 when they first meet the Dharmas and stop flashing? (If it flashed up onscreen I missed it).

JAMES FUCKING SAWYER, PEOPLE!

u talkin abt le fleur?

how do we know it's 1974

in one of the 3 Years Later bits Sawyer says that it's 1977. 1977-3 = 1974.

His conman shit ruled in this episode.

I'm assuming Ben and his dad haven't arrived on the island yet, but we'll see them do so sometime soon.

Good they've given Jin three years to learn English properly as well. I like seeing them all in fucntional jobs inside the Dharma Initiative but isn't there the slightest worry in their minds that they're at risk of being wiped out in the purge at some point? Maybe not for a good while though, but that would have been enough to see me get the hell on that submarine.

in one of the 3 Years Later bits Sawyer says that it's 1977.

Actually, he says it's 1974 when Juliet is on the dock:

SAWYER: You do realize it's 1974. Whatever you think it is you're going back to, it don't exist yet.

There is an interesting pattern with 1954 (the Losties' first appearance in the Others' camp with Widmore, Eloise, etc.), 1974, and 2004.

I'm assuming Ben and his dad haven't arrived on the island yet, but we'll see them do so sometime soon.

i figured he was already there somewhere and that was why he got deposited in present day when the plane crashed and not 1974 w/ the rest of them.

oh right sorry, stand corrected etc. xpost.

His conman shit ruled in this episode.

I was actually v disappointed with that side. When he told everyone he used to con people I was expecting some really crafty ruse but all he did was fudge a story together.

Oh right I couldn't work out why Sawyer called Daniel 'Play-doh'.

not sure if you're serious but he called him "plato", or maybe you were responding to that!

wait why did sawyer have to give a false name? this is in 1974. what could they have possibly done or found out if he had given his real name?

Wouldn't it be weird if Charlotte was somehow Daniel's sister?

what if they had sex and gave birth to a four-toed child and then they built a statue of it

lol

When he told everyone he used to con people I was expecting some really crafty ruse but all he did was fudge a story together.

good fudge though considering he'd just been zapped by a sonic fence. and he said he went with LaFleur because it was Creole - he wanted his story to sound more credible.

isn't there the slightest worry in their minds that they're at risk of being wiped out in the purge at some point?

i guess either daniel or juliet would know exactly when the purge happened so they know they don't have anything to worry about yet.

pointed out on another forum but i think it's nice that juliet's the only person sawyer doesn't seem to have a nickname for.

yeah but compared to his cons in his flashbacks it was nothing. I wanted some serious double crossing shit. He's lost his edge.

must be juliet robbing him of his appeal again.

i love her

He's lost his edge.

c'mon, guy like sawyer doesn't pull out the quality material for a bunch of new agers.

local garda otm

seriously go back and watch the scene where j tells him the baby and mother are safe. his mouth is like someone is pulling a string to alternate between two expressions

Yeah, I felt that pure-joy expression, followed by shacking up with Juliet and not seeming to have any problem saying those three little words, is supposed to mark a change in Sawyer, not too subtly. The tease for next episode with him hugging Kate is just a tease, and he's going to stay with Juliet with only a little soap opera angst. That's my pure guesswork.

would be good if he pretended not to know Kate. "JAMES LEFLEUR don't know what you're talking about"

she'd be all "how you doin' sawyer?" and he's all "who?"

yeah i hope they don't drag that stuff out, he was with kate for less than 100 days compared to three years with juliet. really i just want jack and kate to end up in the cave.

lol garda

"wait why did sawyer have to give a false name? this is in 1974. what could they have possibly done or found out if he had given his real name?"

Isn't LaFleur one of the names of the Dharma Stations in the future (Like the flower or the lotus or something)? So Sawyer becomes a station somehow, or they name it after him like Eastwood Ravine in Back to the Future.

lafleur is the name of the little person in the film "safe men"

And the name of a company in Quebec which produces repulsive low-grade hot dogs, smoked meat, and hams.

Some more disjointed thoughts 'cause I re-watched the episode: I think that the crash survivors of 316 (other than the Oceanic 3) are in the present because we see Cesar rifling through what appears to be a long-abandoned Dharma station - the Hydra? - and Dharma is still in operation in the 70s.. I've assumed that they will soon take those two canoes to the larger island and wash up at the beach where the original camp was, which we saw long-abandoned when Sawyer, Juliet and the rest were skipping a few episodes back - an Ajira airlines bottle of water was in one of the canoes. I can't wait to find out how they all get back to the same time period, not to mention find out where Lapidus and Sun (I assume) have run off to. There is a shot of Sun on the beach in the new promo which suggests maybe she won't end up being the woman Frank ran off with (hello, jungle tryst!) but that could also be the first scene of their perspective of the crash.. the previews are always so misleading.

Curious as well that in the last episode, the video camera control room looked a lot like the one in the Hydra that Jack saw Kate and Sawyer getting it on in the cage in, but that's on the smaller island and the action all happened on the "mainland," isn't that a bit of a screw-up? The kid mentioned the polar bears escaping after all.

I wonder if anything will come of Patchy and Locke's odd conversation when we first met him: "Of course I don't know you, Sayid Jarrah. How could I? And you, Kate Austen, are a complete stranger to me. But you, John Locke, you I have much more than a fleeting memory of ... but I must be confused, because the John Locke I knew was --"

that last sentence is interesting but again, there's no way of knowing how much the writers wrote before they set the end-date is actually relevant. i definitely think a lot changed when they decided to go full-steam into time travel (which tbh I only think they went into because of the good response to The Constant and after they started writing again post-writer's strike.)

there's more than one video control room - there's the one on the Hydra, and there's the one where patchy was when Ben showed Juliet her sister.

Also, the Pearl station.

dharma was just an elaborate experiment in voyeurism, obviously.

xp There's also the Pearl. All of these are slightly different from the one we saw last night:

Pearl
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/c/c5/Pearlstation1.jpg

Hydra
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/9/9c/HydraObservation.jpg

Flame
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:TVFlame.jpg

(The Flame one is too big to post, I gather:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:TVFlame.jpg)

bunch of paranoid hippies.

some more thoughts on the writing on Lost: that Patchy line up there is a pretty good example of how ambiguous dialogue allows the writers a lot of leeway of how they might fill in the gaps in the story - we used to think it meant that Patchy knew Locke when he was paralyzed but now because of time-travel it could have meant something completely different. like all we knew from the flashforwards in season 4 was that "some very bad things happened to the people left behind", which wouldn't have necessarily referred to death from time-travel sickness. could've been war with the Others, or smokey going on a rampage or something.

i suspect if people hadn't liked all the time-travel stuff in s4, the writers wouldn't have gone through with it this season (cf. cutty's comment upthread where the writers said circa s3 that they weren't going to do anything with Dharma because they didn't think that the audience cared about it as much as they cared about the castaways). but as it turned out, the timejumps turned out to be a very good way to fill in the details of the island's history while still focusing on the central characters.

Agreed, this has been a clever way to answer some questions without bringing out Basil Exposition.

ya and my friend pointed out that by revealing lots of backstory now the last season won't just be a series of elaborate explanations. which is cool

ok so how about this .... young ben is in the dharma camp 1974-77 and sees things happening but doesn't know who jack/kate/sawyer/hurley are or what they're doing. later meets up w/ alpert and they put heads together (locke and sawyer have both now told alpert they're time-travelling). so later on, adult ben makes his list of jack/kate/sawyer/hurley and grabs em to stick em in the polar bear cage to keep them from making it to the point where they time travel back to the 70s.