"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

finefinefinemusic, all good points, but do you just post here without reading the thread or what?

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I want ya'll to play this at funerals in the hood.
Til all this black on black crime stop.
Some say the blind lead the blind.
But in the ghetto you never know,
When it's gon be yo time.
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[Sons of Funk, Mo B. Dick, O'dell]
Sittin at the ghetto thinkin bout
All my homies passed away (uuunnnggghhh!)
Candy painted cadillacs and triple gold
That's how me and my boys rolled
How could it be?
Somebody took my boy from me
My best friend's gone
And I'm so all alone
I really miss my homies
Even though they gone away
I know you in a better place
And I hope to see ya soon someday
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[Master P]
I used to hang with my boy even slang with my boy
Used to bang with my boy, goddam I miss my boy
We started out youngstas in the park throwin birds
In your hearse, damn it's sad to see my nigga in the dirt
The game got me workin, got me perkin, never jerkin
Still blowin dolja fo ya cause I know you up there workin
Ya little baby's cool and ya baby's mama straight
But today's a sad day to see the t-shirt with ya face
From the cradle to the grave, from the streets we used to fall
In the park you liked to ball, put yo name upon the wall
In the projects you's a legend on the street you was a star
But it's sad to see my homeboy ridin in that black car
A lotta soldiers done died, a lotta mothers done cried
You done took yo piece of the pie but you was too young to retire
Why soldiers ride for yo name leave it vain
Some Gs never change, damn they killed you for some change
Smile for my homie Kevin Miller my boy Randall
The ghetto persons that lost they loved ones to these ghetto scandals
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Take a minute to smile for the dead (uuunnnggghhh!)
Smile for the dead (RIP 2Pac, Makaveli)
All my homies who done made it to the crossroads
(Biggie Smalls)
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[Sons, Mo B. O'dell]
How could it be?
Somebody took my boy from me
(It's like I can't believe you gone)
My best friend's gone
(Sometimes I feel like I can't go on)
And I'm so all alone
(Everytime I see something you done left
I really miss my homies
(It just remind me, more and more of you, dawg)
Even though they gone away
(I just keep reminiscin)
I know you in a better place
(Cause I know you alright)
And I hope to see ya soon someday
(And I keep smilin, knowin I'm a see you in the crossroads]
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[Pimp C]
We used to grip on the grain and flip them candy toys
But I'd give up all that bullshit if I could get back my boy
Off in the club smokin weed til 3, hollerin at the hoes
Spendin $4000 on me on gators and clothes
When I turned to rap, he had to chase the game
Nigga told me, "C, leave that dope, cause rappin is yo thang"
I ain't gone even lie, some nights I ride and cry
Wonderin why the real niggas always the ones to die
So I just smoke my weed and try to clear my mind
I wish that I had the power to turn back the hands of time
I wonder if there's a heaven up there for real Gs
For all the niggas in the game that be sellin keys
I keep my memories, try to keep my head stromg
But baby it's hard to be strong, when yo main homie gone
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[Sons, Mo B. O'dell]
Even though you gone away
(Even though you gone, you ain't never gon be forgotten)
I know you in a better place
(Cause as long as I'm here
You gon live through me and other TRU playas)
I really miss my homies
Even though they gone away
I know you in a better place
And I hope to see ya soon someday
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[Silkk]
I'm just sittin here dazed thinkin bout all the times we had
Thinkin the past, some was good and some was bad
Remember Dante?
It was a group of us, just a group of five
Now three dead, one in jail, it seem right now I'm the only one alive
To all my soldiers before me, may ya'll rest in peace
When He took three, took my soul, just the bodies
He at the crossroads guide us out to the rest of me
Wishin I could rewind time like demos
Me and you gettin girls, writin down numbers like memos
Makin million dollar bets, makin all our money stretch like limos
Even though I smile, it's sad, but they say gangstas can't cry
But if I close my eyes and visualize me together
Then I suddenly wanna smile
To see you laid down when it's yo time, when your time was up
You never seen your child, but he's here to remind us
Even though you was wrong, I never could belive that that was true
You was with me forever, you could check my rest in peace tattoos
See me and C and P forever gon be ridin and thuggin
Rest in peace to all the ones that didn't make it
And rest in peace to my brother
We gon miss you
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(I love these fools)
I know you in a better place
(Every time I get on my knees)
And I hope to see ya soon someday
(I pray for you, I'm glad you in a better place
I hope I see ya soon, ain't no more killin
Ain't no more fights, and ain't no more tears)

nah cutty I read the thread (and some other forums) and sort of keep notes in a notepad file because otherwise I would be doing 50 xposts a day late :)

that was because I care about Rose and Bernard, isn't it?

so did yall notice on the wiki page what the heiroglyphic symbol for Horus is

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_G5.png

the lil bird that came up on the number-flipper when they didn't hit the button

No Rose & Bernard visible in the Dharma compound--probably with the Others?

Call me cold hearted, but I kinda hope that Rose & Bernard have been sucked into some black hole vacuum & remain there for the rest of the series.

― Ricky Apples (Pillbox), Friday, February 6, 2009 7:32 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

See, I would rather watch them die, personally.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, February 6, 2009 7:33 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'd like to see Walt fling birds at them with his mind.

― Local Garda, Friday, February 6, 2009 7:35 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

love your username PB, at least once a day I ask my boyfriend "I have two ears and a heart, don't I?"

damn I can't wait for THIS episode

By the Nineteenth dynasty, the enmity between Set and Horus, in which Horus had ripped off one of Set's testicles, was represented as a separate tale. According to Papyrus Chester-Beatty I, Set is depicted as trying to prove his dominance by seducing Horus and then having intercourse with him. However, Horus places his hand between his thighs and catches Set's semen, then subsequently throws it in the river, so that he may not be said to have been inseminated by Set. Horus then deliberately spreads his own semen on some lettuce, which was Set's favorite food (the Egyptians thought that lettuce was phallic). After Set has eaten the lettuce, they go to the gods to try to settle the argument over the rule of Egypt. The gods first listen to Set's claim of dominance over Horus, and call his semen forth, but it answers from the river, invalidating his claim. Then, the gods listen to Horus' claim of having dominated Set, and call his semen forth, and it answers from inside Set.[9]

xpost: why thank you Jane, She is a Clerk

xpost On the podcast Damon & Carlton said that Rose & Bernard are not dead. So they have to be somewheres.

curses!

"I'm gone ten minutes and you're having a hootenanny?!?"

^^ love this guy as creepy dude in David Lynch film

I'm getting kind of tired of internet losties getting their panties in a twist about symbolism and details and trying to predict shit with it. Other than really obvious ones (Jeremy Bentham's corpse on display -> Locke's corpse on display) these never really pan out into plot-predicting bits, the writers just throw shit in. Two Egyptian references do not a plot revelation make.
(expecting to be wrong on this)

I love how whenever Miles gets an order he's still all about "uh, why don't you... whatever you said."

Dude- we've been seeing hieroglyphics since SSN 2 at least.

Of course all the religion symbolism is going to end up being just that. It'll end up being as simple as good vs. evil and who is on which side. Horus, for the Egyptians, was good, and his enemy Set was evil (his red hair proved it.)

(his red hair proved it.) - OMG Charlotte is eeeevil.

Oh right I couldn't work out why Sawyer called Daniel 'Play-doh'.

Loved the big statue tease.
Was Paul meant to be anyone significant?
I know it's only me who finds this completely hilarious but they are going right out of their way now to hide everyone's heads until the last possible millisecond reveal - even when you know who it's going to be like Juliet under that van. Bag over Michelle Dessler's head was getting desperate.
This is totally a dumb question but how do we know it's 1974 when they first meet the Dharmas and stop flashing? (If it flashed up onscreen I missed it).

JAMES FUCKING SAWYER, PEOPLE!

u talkin abt le fleur?

how do we know it's 1974

in one of the 3 Years Later bits Sawyer says that it's 1977. 1977-3 = 1974.

His conman shit ruled in this episode.

I'm assuming Ben and his dad haven't arrived on the island yet, but we'll see them do so sometime soon.

Good they've given Jin three years to learn English properly as well. I like seeing them all in fucntional jobs inside the Dharma Initiative but isn't there the slightest worry in their minds that they're at risk of being wiped out in the purge at some point? Maybe not for a good while though, but that would have been enough to see me get the hell on that submarine.

in one of the 3 Years Later bits Sawyer says that it's 1977.

Actually, he says it's 1974 when Juliet is on the dock:

SAWYER: You do realize it's 1974. Whatever you think it is you're going back to, it don't exist yet.

There is an interesting pattern with 1954 (the Losties' first appearance in the Others' camp with Widmore, Eloise, etc.), 1974, and 2004.

I'm assuming Ben and his dad haven't arrived on the island yet, but we'll see them do so sometime soon.

i figured he was already there somewhere and that was why he got deposited in present day when the plane crashed and not 1974 w/ the rest of them.

oh right sorry, stand corrected etc. xpost.

His conman shit ruled in this episode.

I was actually v disappointed with that side. When he told everyone he used to con people I was expecting some really crafty ruse but all he did was fudge a story together.

Oh right I couldn't work out why Sawyer called Daniel 'Play-doh'.

not sure if you're serious but he called him "plato", or maybe you were responding to that!

wait why did sawyer have to give a false name? this is in 1974. what could they have possibly done or found out if he had given his real name?

Wouldn't it be weird if Charlotte was somehow Daniel's sister?

what if they had sex and gave birth to a four-toed child and then they built a statue of it

lol

When he told everyone he used to con people I was expecting some really crafty ruse but all he did was fudge a story together.

good fudge though considering he'd just been zapped by a sonic fence. and he said he went with LaFleur because it was Creole - he wanted his story to sound more credible.

isn't there the slightest worry in their minds that they're at risk of being wiped out in the purge at some point?

i guess either daniel or juliet would know exactly when the purge happened so they know they don't have anything to worry about yet.

pointed out on another forum but i think it's nice that juliet's the only person sawyer doesn't seem to have a nickname for.

yeah but compared to his cons in his flashbacks it was nothing. I wanted some serious double crossing shit. He's lost his edge.

must be juliet robbing him of his appeal again.

i love her

He's lost his edge.

c'mon, guy like sawyer doesn't pull out the quality material for a bunch of new agers.

local garda otm

seriously go back and watch the scene where j tells him the baby and mother are safe. his mouth is like someone is pulling a string to alternate between two expressions

Yeah, I felt that pure-joy expression, followed by shacking up with Juliet and not seeming to have any problem saying those three little words, is supposed to mark a change in Sawyer, not too subtly. The tease for next episode with him hugging Kate is just a tease, and he's going to stay with Juliet with only a little soap opera angst. That's my pure guesswork.

would be good if he pretended not to know Kate. "JAMES LEFLEUR don't know what you're talking about"

she'd be all "how you doin' sawyer?" and he's all "who?"

yeah i hope they don't drag that stuff out, he was with kate for less than 100 days compared to three years with juliet. really i just want jack and kate to end up in the cave.

lol garda

"wait why did sawyer have to give a false name? this is in 1974. what could they have possibly done or found out if he had given his real name?"

Isn't LaFleur one of the names of the Dharma Stations in the future (Like the flower or the lotus or something)? So Sawyer becomes a station somehow, or they name it after him like Eastwood Ravine in Back to the Future.

lafleur is the name of the little person in the film "safe men"

And the name of a company in Quebec which produces repulsive low-grade hot dogs, smoked meat, and hams.

Some more disjointed thoughts 'cause I re-watched the episode: I think that the crash survivors of 316 (other than the Oceanic 3) are in the present because we see Cesar rifling through what appears to be a long-abandoned Dharma station - the Hydra? - and Dharma is still in operation in the 70s.. I've assumed that they will soon take those two canoes to the larger island and wash up at the beach where the original camp was, which we saw long-abandoned when Sawyer, Juliet and the rest were skipping a few episodes back - an Ajira airlines bottle of water was in one of the canoes. I can't wait to find out how they all get back to the same time period, not to mention find out where Lapidus and Sun (I assume) have run off to. There is a shot of Sun on the beach in the new promo which suggests maybe she won't end up being the woman Frank ran off with (hello, jungle tryst!) but that could also be the first scene of their perspective of the crash.. the previews are always so misleading.

Curious as well that in the last episode, the video camera control room looked a lot like the one in the Hydra that Jack saw Kate and Sawyer getting it on in the cage in, but that's on the smaller island and the action all happened on the "mainland," isn't that a bit of a screw-up? The kid mentioned the polar bears escaping after all.

I wonder if anything will come of Patchy and Locke's odd conversation when we first met him: "Of course I don't know you, Sayid Jarrah. How could I? And you, Kate Austen, are a complete stranger to me. But you, John Locke, you I have much more than a fleeting memory of ... but I must be confused, because the John Locke I knew was --"

that last sentence is interesting but again, there's no way of knowing how much the writers wrote before they set the end-date is actually relevant. i definitely think a lot changed when they decided to go full-steam into time travel (which tbh I only think they went into because of the good response to The Constant and after they started writing again post-writer's strike.)

there's more than one video control room - there's the one on the Hydra, and there's the one where patchy was when Ben showed Juliet her sister.

Also, the Pearl station.

dharma was just an elaborate experiment in voyeurism, obviously.

xp There's also the Pearl. All of these are slightly different from the one we saw last night:

Pearl
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Hydra
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/9/9c/HydraObservation.jpg

Flame
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:TVFlame.jpg

(The Flame one is too big to post, I gather:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:TVFlame.jpg)

bunch of paranoid hippies.