"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

She takes care of herself okay

lol Paolo, Boone, or Charlie.

I can think of one reason why Charlotte is younger than she's supposed to be in the future - if she left the island via the frozen donkey wheel, she could've skipped a few years.

seems like she probably just left via sub though

where did the hot army chick go

Yeah, baby born in 1977 = 27 in 2004. I can't think of any prominent Others that qualify.

Yeah, that baby has to be Jacob.

hot army chick is eloise hawking, no?

she got old
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OK, def. cannot wait until the next ep after seeing these:

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funny. didn't the writers say that they were leaving all the dharma initiative stuff behind sometime around season 3? ha

ugh, why is there a week off?

NAMASTE NEW RECRUITS! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLO

hot army chick is eloise hawking, no?

Yeah, and she's a Hostile, like Alpert. So if she's still on the island, she wouldn't be in New Otherton.

looking forward to easy on the ear sawyer humour about them all having boring dharma jobs

eg calling horace "hoss" in the last episode.

Ben in Season 4:
Her name is Charlotte Lewis! Charlotte Staples Lewis. Born July second, nineteen seventy-nine, Essex, England. Parents David and Jeanette. Eldest of three, all girls. She was raised in Bromsgrove. Did her undergraduate studies at Kent. Took her PhD in Cultural Anthropology at Oxford. She's here with two other team members and a pilot. Their names Daniel Faraday, Miles Straume, Frank Lapidus.

Charlotte doesn't contradict this information, so apparently she believes that she was born in 1979, even though she looked like she was 2 in 1977?

it is confusing. she knew she had been there, but her memories were a bit fragmented, no? perhaps because of some sort of time-shift trauma?

Unless 1979 is the date on her birth certificate (maybe manufactured by her mom?), but she secretly knows that she was born earlier:

CHARLOTTE: I grew up here...on the island. And there was this thing...this... Dharma Initiative. And then...I moved away with my mum. Just my mum...and...I never saw my dad again. And then when I got back to England, I would...I would...ask my mum about this place, yeah? But she would say that it wasn’t real...and that I’d made it up. That’s why... I became an anthropologist. To find this island again. It’s what...I’ve been searching for my whole life.

yeah maybe mom said she was born whatever year they left the island

somehow

even though she looked like she was 2 in 1977?

Actually, it's worse -- that was 1974. (Maybe it wasn't even her.)

Seems like they're gonna be jumping through hoops to make all these timelines add up.

if Charlotte disappeared and Sawyer's crew stayed, as Daniel said, does that mean her body flashed to 2008 where it "should" have been? Maybe Sun & Faraday will stumble across it, or Sayid. I guess she could have just stayed in whatever time they were in when she died though.

STATUE. I am reading on forums that it is probably Horus, often depicted holding an ankh. Weird, I saw a guy named Horace holding an ankh on some TV show last night. I see what you did there.

Funny: In this battle one of his eyes was injured and later it was healed by Hathor. This healing of the eye became a symbol of renewal. Sounds like the indestructible Mikhail "Patchy" Patcherson to me! ;) I guess his eye wasn't healed but everything else on him seems to heal and re-heal!

"Your buddy with the eyeliner" some writers have been reading the forums.. poor Nestor. He has stated time and again that no, no eyeliner, just fantastic eyelashes.

SERIOUSLY WHERE THE FUCK ARE ROSE AND BERNARD? If they did continue to flash in time with the others they are chilling on a beach with Vincent and some redshirts, wondering why they keep hearing Geronimo Jackson off in the distance, right?

Pleasepleasepleaseplease don't make us go into some vapid Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Juliet love triangle shit. I would like my #1 assholes Jack & Kate to stick together and annoy each other for the rest of their lives. Don't care one way or another about Sawyer and Juliet but I hate seeing Sawyer moon all over "freckles," ugh. Speaking of which, boo to Sawyer's 70s hair! And triple boo to Horace's terrible wig. He looked like Janet Jimplin.

Like everyone else I wonder.. who is Horace's son? Practically the only guys whose Dad we've never heard anything about are people like Ethan and Goodwin (but both too old, surely) - did we ever see Desmond's dad? What a kick if he was adpted & whisked away from the island in his infancy! When Horace meets baby Ben and his parents on the roadside in Portland, isn't he with a different woman? The name Olivia is kicking around in my head, but her name was Amy.. perhaps baby #2 will kill her.
Where is Little Ben?
Is Jin going to teach Charlotte Korean? As for her age discrepancy - when Locke left the island, all of a sudden it was three years later.. So maybe when Charlottte left same thing happened so her Mother had to change her birthdate?

We posted some Horus eye stuff upthread-- I also saw some confusing stuff about how the Biblical Jacob was based on Horus or something.

finefinefinemusic, all good points, but do you just post here without reading the thread or what?

http://images.lowriderarte.com/drawings/0701_lrap_06_z+drawings+notorious_big.jpg
I want ya'll to play this at funerals in the hood.
Til all this black on black crime stop.
Some say the blind lead the blind.
But in the ghetto you never know,
When it's gon be yo time.
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[Sons of Funk, Mo B. Dick, O'dell]
Sittin at the ghetto thinkin bout
All my homies passed away (uuunnnggghhh!)
Candy painted cadillacs and triple gold
That's how me and my boys rolled
How could it be?
Somebody took my boy from me
My best friend's gone
And I'm so all alone
I really miss my homies
Even though they gone away
I know you in a better place
And I hope to see ya soon someday
http://images.lowriderarte.com/drawings/0701_lrap_06_z+drawings+notorious_big.jpg
[Master P]
I used to hang with my boy even slang with my boy
Used to bang with my boy, goddam I miss my boy
We started out youngstas in the park throwin birds
In your hearse, damn it's sad to see my nigga in the dirt
The game got me workin, got me perkin, never jerkin
Still blowin dolja fo ya cause I know you up there workin
Ya little baby's cool and ya baby's mama straight
But today's a sad day to see the t-shirt with ya face
From the cradle to the grave, from the streets we used to fall
In the park you liked to ball, put yo name upon the wall
In the projects you's a legend on the street you was a star
But it's sad to see my homeboy ridin in that black car
A lotta soldiers done died, a lotta mothers done cried
You done took yo piece of the pie but you was too young to retire
Why soldiers ride for yo name leave it vain
Some Gs never change, damn they killed you for some change
Smile for my homie Kevin Miller my boy Randall
The ghetto persons that lost they loved ones to these ghetto scandals
http://images.lowriderarte.com/drawings/0701_lrap_06_z+drawings+notorious_big.jpg
Take a minute to smile for the dead (uuunnnggghhh!)
Smile for the dead (RIP 2Pac, Makaveli)
All my homies who done made it to the crossroads
(Biggie Smalls)
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[Sons, Mo B. O'dell]
How could it be?
Somebody took my boy from me
(It's like I can't believe you gone)
My best friend's gone
(Sometimes I feel like I can't go on)
And I'm so all alone
(Everytime I see something you done left
I really miss my homies
(It just remind me, more and more of you, dawg)
Even though they gone away
(I just keep reminiscin)
I know you in a better place
(Cause I know you alright)
And I hope to see ya soon someday
(And I keep smilin, knowin I'm a see you in the crossroads]
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[Pimp C]
We used to grip on the grain and flip them candy toys
But I'd give up all that bullshit if I could get back my boy
Off in the club smokin weed til 3, hollerin at the hoes
Spendin $4000 on me on gators and clothes
When I turned to rap, he had to chase the game
Nigga told me, "C, leave that dope, cause rappin is yo thang"
I ain't gone even lie, some nights I ride and cry
Wonderin why the real niggas always the ones to die
So I just smoke my weed and try to clear my mind
I wish that I had the power to turn back the hands of time
I wonder if there's a heaven up there for real Gs
For all the niggas in the game that be sellin keys
I keep my memories, try to keep my head stromg
But baby it's hard to be strong, when yo main homie gone
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[Sons, Mo B. O'dell]
Even though you gone away
(Even though you gone, you ain't never gon be forgotten)
I know you in a better place
(Cause as long as I'm here
You gon live through me and other TRU playas)
I really miss my homies
Even though they gone away
I know you in a better place
And I hope to see ya soon someday
http://images.lowriderarte.com/drawings/0701_lrap_06_z+drawings+notorious_big.jpg
[Silkk]
I'm just sittin here dazed thinkin bout all the times we had
Thinkin the past, some was good and some was bad
Remember Dante?
It was a group of us, just a group of five
Now three dead, one in jail, it seem right now I'm the only one alive
To all my soldiers before me, may ya'll rest in peace
When He took three, took my soul, just the bodies
He at the crossroads guide us out to the rest of me
Wishin I could rewind time like demos
Me and you gettin girls, writin down numbers like memos
Makin million dollar bets, makin all our money stretch like limos
Even though I smile, it's sad, but they say gangstas can't cry
But if I close my eyes and visualize me together
Then I suddenly wanna smile
To see you laid down when it's yo time, when your time was up
You never seen your child, but he's here to remind us
Even though you was wrong, I never could belive that that was true
You was with me forever, you could check my rest in peace tattoos
See me and C and P forever gon be ridin and thuggin
Rest in peace to all the ones that didn't make it
And rest in peace to my brother
We gon miss you
http://images.lowriderarte.com/drawings/0701_lrap_06_z+drawings+notorious_big.jpg
(I love these fools)
I know you in a better place
(Every time I get on my knees)
And I hope to see ya soon someday
(I pray for you, I'm glad you in a better place
I hope I see ya soon, ain't no more killin
Ain't no more fights, and ain't no more tears)

nah cutty I read the thread (and some other forums) and sort of keep notes in a notepad file because otherwise I would be doing 50 xposts a day late :)

that was because I care about Rose and Bernard, isn't it?

so did yall notice on the wiki page what the heiroglyphic symbol for Horus is

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_G5.png

the lil bird that came up on the number-flipper when they didn't hit the button

No Rose & Bernard visible in the Dharma compound--probably with the Others?

Call me cold hearted, but I kinda hope that Rose & Bernard have been sucked into some black hole vacuum & remain there for the rest of the series.

― Ricky Apples (Pillbox), Friday, February 6, 2009 7:32 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

See, I would rather watch them die, personally.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, February 6, 2009 7:33 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'd like to see Walt fling birds at them with his mind.

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love your username PB, at least once a day I ask my boyfriend "I have two ears and a heart, don't I?"

damn I can't wait for THIS episode

By the Nineteenth dynasty, the enmity between Set and Horus, in which Horus had ripped off one of Set's testicles, was represented as a separate tale. According to Papyrus Chester-Beatty I, Set is depicted as trying to prove his dominance by seducing Horus and then having intercourse with him. However, Horus places his hand between his thighs and catches Set's semen, then subsequently throws it in the river, so that he may not be said to have been inseminated by Set. Horus then deliberately spreads his own semen on some lettuce, which was Set's favorite food (the Egyptians thought that lettuce was phallic). After Set has eaten the lettuce, they go to the gods to try to settle the argument over the rule of Egypt. The gods first listen to Set's claim of dominance over Horus, and call his semen forth, but it answers from the river, invalidating his claim. Then, the gods listen to Horus' claim of having dominated Set, and call his semen forth, and it answers from inside Set.[9]

xpost: why thank you Jane, She is a Clerk

xpost On the podcast Damon & Carlton said that Rose & Bernard are not dead. So they have to be somewheres.

curses!

"I'm gone ten minutes and you're having a hootenanny?!?"

^^ love this guy as creepy dude in David Lynch film

I'm getting kind of tired of internet losties getting their panties in a twist about symbolism and details and trying to predict shit with it. Other than really obvious ones (Jeremy Bentham's corpse on display -> Locke's corpse on display) these never really pan out into plot-predicting bits, the writers just throw shit in. Two Egyptian references do not a plot revelation make.
(expecting to be wrong on this)

I love how whenever Miles gets an order he's still all about "uh, why don't you... whatever you said."

Dude- we've been seeing hieroglyphics since SSN 2 at least.

Of course all the religion symbolism is going to end up being just that. It'll end up being as simple as good vs. evil and who is on which side. Horus, for the Egyptians, was good, and his enemy Set was evil (his red hair proved it.)

(his red hair proved it.) - OMG Charlotte is eeeevil.

Oh right I couldn't work out why Sawyer called Daniel 'Play-doh'.

Loved the big statue tease.
Was Paul meant to be anyone significant?
I know it's only me who finds this completely hilarious but they are going right out of their way now to hide everyone's heads until the last possible millisecond reveal - even when you know who it's going to be like Juliet under that van. Bag over Michelle Dessler's head was getting desperate.
This is totally a dumb question but how do we know it's 1974 when they first meet the Dharmas and stop flashing? (If it flashed up onscreen I missed it).

JAMES FUCKING SAWYER, PEOPLE!

u talkin abt le fleur?

how do we know it's 1974

in one of the 3 Years Later bits Sawyer says that it's 1977. 1977-3 = 1974.

His conman shit ruled in this episode.

I'm assuming Ben and his dad haven't arrived on the island yet, but we'll see them do so sometime soon.

Good they've given Jin three years to learn English properly as well. I like seeing them all in fucntional jobs inside the Dharma Initiative but isn't there the slightest worry in their minds that they're at risk of being wiped out in the purge at some point? Maybe not for a good while though, but that would have been enough to see me get the hell on that submarine.

in one of the 3 Years Later bits Sawyer says that it's 1977.

Actually, he says it's 1974 when Juliet is on the dock:

SAWYER: You do realize it's 1974. Whatever you think it is you're going back to, it don't exist yet.

There is an interesting pattern with 1954 (the Losties' first appearance in the Others' camp with Widmore, Eloise, etc.), 1974, and 2004.

I'm assuming Ben and his dad haven't arrived on the island yet, but we'll see them do so sometime soon.

i figured he was already there somewhere and that was why he got deposited in present day when the plane crashed and not 1974 w/ the rest of them.

oh right sorry, stand corrected etc. xpost.

His conman shit ruled in this episode.

I was actually v disappointed with that side. When he told everyone he used to con people I was expecting some really crafty ruse but all he did was fudge a story together.

Oh right I couldn't work out why Sawyer called Daniel 'Play-doh'.

not sure if you're serious but he called him "plato", or maybe you were responding to that!

wait why did sawyer have to give a false name? this is in 1974. what could they have possibly done or found out if he had given his real name?

Wouldn't it be weird if Charlotte was somehow Daniel's sister?