"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

We're still stuck trying to figure out what the deal with Jacob is, whether Alpert's a "free agent," and how the Hawking woman ties into things and whether or not she's actually Daniel's mother.

Also...four toed statue?

We should have a new list thread for "Things Still To Be Answered on LOST"

long thread

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Unanswered_questions

how the Hawking woman ties into things and whether or not she's actually Daniel's mother.

and whether she's also Ellie.

also what kind of a guy would name his labrat after his mother?

wow i've totally forgotten about 90% of those unanswered questions.

that page is pretty hilarious like are they really doing this to us

widmore and his people "protected the island for over 30 years", but who from?

how did widmore and co get to the island?

did richard find it with them? or was he already there?

why did ben take the island from charles?

why does ben end up believing everyone must go back (after having killed locke only to tell jack that they'd have to bring him back too)?

how exactly did abbadon come to be locke's orderly in 2003?

who killed nadia and why?

what's the deal with the temple?

what the fuck is Jacob, smokemonster origin etc.

that is from my recently edited list i keep in gmail drafts *redface*

why does ben end up believing everyone must go back (after having killed locke only to tell jack that they'd have to bring him back too)?

this one is huge.

I guess it's because Locke told Ben (because Alpert told Locke). Ben is smart enough to accept what Locke says because he's The One, but still wants to get back to the island even though he's not supposed to out of pure venal self-interest.

I have a feeling Sun wasn't supposed to go back--and therefore doesn't end up with Jack-Kate-Hurley in the '70s. I think Sayyid is back there, but won't show up until he can do a badass reveal.

Maybe that's why Ben was surprised about Jin being alive--only one Korean was needed for whatever is supposed to go down and he thought it was Sun. Explains maybe why he didn't seem that concerned about her until she showed up with a gun. Of course he always has to have a rabbit up his sleeve so he took Jin's ring.

widmore and his people "protected the island for over 30 years", but who from?

outsiders

how did widmore and co get to the island?
British Island Expedition of 1960s

did richard find it with them? or was he already there?
Richard has always been there, even before there was an island.

why did ben take the island from charles?
Ben has always done whatever he wants, whenever he wants, because he's a goal-oriented sociopath.

why does ben end up believing everyone must go back (after having killed locke only to tell jack that they'd have to bring him back too)?
Locke told him about Eloise Hawking, who then told Ben that everyone had to go.

how exactly did abbadon come to be locke's orderly in 2003?
Alpert, Ben, and Widmore either collaboratively or separately having been keeping tabs on Locke since Locke showed up on the island back when Widmore was a solider.

who killed nadia and why?
Ben, to get Sayid to work for him. Or really, anybody since she was an Iraqi dissident at one point.

what's the deal with the temple?
It's where the island's security system, the smoke monster, comes from.

what the fuck is Jacob, smokemonster origin etc.
kooky island shit, built by an army of Alpert clones

bad answers dude sorry

if you think you're going to get anything more straightforward from the show, good luck

like, they'll show Ben kicking Widmore off, or at least convincing him to turn the donkey wheel, but it won't get any more deep than "Jacob told me you have to go" and the prime motivator for Ben to do anyone's will is because he wants to

i do actually think all of those questions will be answered/explained well enough eventually

if Jacob does turn out to be a godly human-ish being of some sort, they're gonna need an actor who is somehow more charismatic and authoritative than Ben, Widmore or Alpert to make us believe that these guys would actually take orders from him.

Some of these Unanswered Questions are like Huh?

Does Cindy know that her lover Gary Troup was on the plane? Does she know that he is dead?

What is the relationship between the dressing on Claire's head at the tattoo parlor ("Par Avion") and the one on her head in Jacob's cabin ("Cabin Fever")?"

What was the meaning of the dream Claire details in her diary about the "Black Rock" in the Episode ("Special") from Season One?

What were the consequences of Kilo not getting his share from the Jessica con? ("Confidence Man")

Why did Matthew Abaddon send a cultural anthropologist on the mission to find the Island?

Some is this stuff is along the lines of "How did Hurley get from the living room to the kitchen when they didn't show us him walking there?"

What is Sayid digging a hole for?
What is Sayid digging a hole for?
What is Sayid digging a hole for?
What is Sayid digging a hole for?
What is Sayid digging a hole for?
What is Sayid digging a hole for?
What is Sayid digging a hole for?
What is Sayid digging a hole for?
What is Sayid digging a hole for?

I find the "four-toed statue" to be the least interesting unanswered question. Have Lindelof/Cuse indicated that it's a clue to something huge? It's always felt like a kind of goofy throwaway to me. Or maybe I'm just nervous that any extended explanation could be super cringe-y.

Man, I don't envy Lindelof and Cuse. A series finale fuck-up would be like David Chase x infinity for those dudes, press-wise (though I thought the Sopranos ending was awesome).

i find wtf is going on w/this crazy island to be the most interesting unanswered question

The four toed statue is probably linked to whatever is inside the temple, which is also presumably the answer to whatever the point of Smokey is.

Srsly show us the fucking temple already.

What is the relationship between the dressing on Claire's head at the tattoo parlor ("Par Avion") and the one on her head in Jacob's cabin ("Cabin Fever")?"

it got a bit messy but in the end their friendship was stronger than ever

Did Hurley still eat that burrito he threw at the wall when he saw Ben? (sorry if it wasn't a burrito)

Maybe they gave him a new burrito in prison.

http://thebeautybrains.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/hot-pockets.jpg

and no. he ran out to get arrested.

doh i just realized that ben would be interested in sun because if he was spying on all of them, he would've known she was seeking out Widmore's help.

God that Hot Pocket is the most revolting thing I've ever seen. Is that picture supposed to look appetising?

its 4 throwing @ walls

Alanis Morrisette writing for Lostpedia:

Both Ben Linus and Charles Widmore have people watching all of the Oceanic plane crash survivors off the Island. (Irony)

would not be surprised if both sun + sayid are in '08 with ben - they're the two who are most involved in the personal war between ben and widmore. whereas the rest seem more like pawns in a larger game involving the island itself.

Preview for next week implies strongly that Sawyer meets up with Kate, but I really doubt it.

Dharma! (bump)

I missed the first 10 minutes and I am thoroughly confused.

The "crying" acting in this episode is sub-subpar.

this show will be the death of me yet. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

70s are not good for sawyer's hair :(

lol sawyer's hair yes. something came to mind while watching this episode--how were dharma drops still happening in 2004?

btw kate is skank. juliet anyday.

not really looking forward to the jack-kate-sawyer-juliet butthurtedness to come

did horace say "alert the arab" or "alert the arrow" when richard breached the perimeter?

i heard arrow.

The Arrow was one of the stations, I thought.

This was the episode where it struck me that Juliet is much hotter this year. She seems to have given up that puzzled-looking, harsh, and often unsettling facial expression. Sawyer's love has transformed her into a radiant beauty, oh yes, and then Kate shows up on the island looking like a junky. What a crackhead Kate is compared to how beautiful Juliet is now. To think I nearly gave up on this show.

70s juliet was way hotter than island juliet. lol sawyer makes her hot, but only because he loses is own hotness in giving it to her?

He has lost whatever appeal he had.

Maybe hotness on the island is a zero sum game? If everyone looks hot at the same time, the island moves.

And the new girl, the one that has a babby, is super hot while her boyfriend really isn't.