maybe the whole crew doesn't but the trust-fundamentalist subset clearly exhibit a type of "reflexive dismissive" "sarcasm"
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 18 October 2013 17:17 (ten years ago) link
Really stupid article. Hurting otm.
― Treeship, Friday, 18 October 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link
most people attacking "trust fund" types couldn't provide a working definition of what a trust fund is anyway, it just means "ppl I don't like & totally consider myself different from"
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:11 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― fresh (crüt), Friday, 18 October 2013 18:23 (ten years ago) link
hipsters getting touchy itt
― sleepingbag, Friday, 18 October 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
"trust-fundamentalist" doesn't make any sense.
― Treeship, Friday, 18 October 2013 18:48 (ten years ago) link
lol ok my bad i don't know why i have to phrase everything i post like an asshole lately. but yeah, hipsters are a maybe not 'republicans' but certainly exhibit a weird type of conservative thinking that i'm sure will lead to some odd political positioning in some of these young ppl's future
― sleepingbag, Friday, October 18, 2013 12:38 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wtf are you talking about
― marcos, Friday, 18 October 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
knowing what a trust fund is counterrevolutionary
― flopson, Friday, 18 October 2013 19:00 (ten years ago) link
hardly a new viewpoint, the Vice axis, while it's tilted back toward the middle since the McInnes years, was hardly a stranger to conservatism
― beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Monday, October 14, 2013 4:18 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
(xp)
I am in awe of how well they've jettisoned that guy in the last couple years
― mh, Friday, 18 October 2013 19:12 (ten years ago) link
trust-fundamentalism makes sense if you've met hipsters from wealthy backgrounds who are culturally progressive but having never really worked real jobs have some quaint notions of what life is like for people who don't come from wealthy backgrounds. think of a poet whose heart bleeds for poor people in africa but gets pissed at how rude the waitstaff is at the campus coffee shop
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 18 October 2013 19:14 (ten years ago) link
indeed, think of that poet
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Friday, 18 October 2013 19:15 (ten years ago) link
he's just a Skynyrd fan
― fresh (crüt), Friday, 18 October 2013 19:21 (ten years ago) link
southern poet man don't need rude waitstaff or poor africans around anyhow
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 18 October 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link
Ok I can't think of it, I give up. Is it James Dickey?
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Friday, 18 October 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
dickey's dad had lawyer money when james was growing up but not fuck you money
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 18 October 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link
I had a bf with a trust fund once! His trust fund consisted of $25,000 to pay for college tuition once he turned 21 (which paid for one year of tuition at the time), and another $25,000 once he turned 25. This trust fund obviously meant that he did not have to work an honest day in his life.
― clueless mom complaining about miley Cyrus (sarahell), Friday, 18 October 2013 21:37 (ten years ago) link
that's not the kind of trust fund that minimally furnished social media tech start-ups / recording studios are made of, for sure, but it sure beats nothing
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 18 October 2013 22:05 (ten years ago) link
"Trust fund" is just a legal designation -- it doesn't really speak to the amount of money involved. It's just used as shorthand here, obviously.
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Friday, 18 October 2013 22:08 (ten years ago) link
And being "retro-obsessed" isn't true of all hipsters. The concept of "slumming" is -- that part of the comparison is one I'd agree with.
― clueless mom complaining about miley Cyrus (sarahell), Friday, 18 October 2013 22:32 (ten years ago) link
― clueless mom complaining about miley Cyrus (sarahell), Friday, 18 October 2013 22:37 (56 minutes ago)
http://funandgooddotcom1.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/article-2262100-16efd587000005dc-781_634x558.jpg?w=750 ?
― Maggishos soyfriend. Wins. (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 18 October 2013 22:37 (ten years ago) link
different guy!
― clueless mom complaining about miley Cyrus (sarahell), Friday, 18 October 2013 22:37 (ten years ago) link
this one was a relatively distant relative of a founder of Polaroid
― clueless mom complaining about miley Cyrus (sarahell), Friday, 18 October 2013 22:38 (ten years ago) link
just imagine being someone who was more moved by the plight of children with kwashiokor than service sector employees in the wealthiest country in the world
― Maggishos soyfriend. Wins. (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 18 October 2013 22:40 (ten years ago) link
$50k not bad! I feel like I should have gone to a school where it'd take $25k per year. I might write in complete sentences on ilx.
― mh, Friday, 18 October 2013 23:39 (ten years ago) link
he writes steampunk erotica iirc
― clueless mom complaining about miley Cyrus (sarahell), Friday, 18 October 2013 23:50 (ten years ago) link
better than arcade fire slashfic
― Treeship, Saturday, 19 October 2013 00:22 (ten years ago) link
neither activity is a hipster thing to do
― clueless mom complaining about miley Cyrus (sarahell), Saturday, 19 October 2013 00:27 (ten years ago) link
darnit
― Treeship, Saturday, 19 October 2013 00:29 (ten years ago) link
neither is publishing a book of vaguely-incisive statements underneath pictures of dogs, but it is closer
― clueless mom complaining about miley Cyrus (sarahell), Saturday, 19 October 2013 00:34 (ten years ago) link
have never knowingly known someone with a trust fund, is that a thing people know about
― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 October 2013 00:36 (ten years ago) link
trustfundamentalism is like opus dei. they don't talk about their membership to outsiders.
― Treeship, Saturday, 19 October 2013 00:39 (ten years ago) link
not true -- they talk about it to their lawyers and accoutants
― clueless mom complaining about miley Cyrus (sarahell), Saturday, 19 October 2013 00:41 (ten years ago) link
A facebook thread I got sucked into recently (excerpted)
[blah blah old leftist fb comments complaining about "hipsters" in "brooklyn"]Hurting: I honestly don't understand who people are talking about when they say "hipsters" anymore.JF: I was thinking the same thing. At least they should care about something that matters.Hurting: No what I'm saying is that I just don't understand what supposedly defined group of people the word "hipsters" is used to refer to anymore. I just don't understand what it means at this point, it seems like a dead signifier.JF: People who wear trucker hats ironically.Hurting: Ashton Kutcher?JF: Ha. Maybe. He's a hottie.JF: I read an article where one signifier of hipster coolness was the I Love Bacon trucker hat. Isn't that sweet?
Am I talking to a bot?
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Friday, 24 January 2014 03:15 (ten years ago) link
"Their sole ambition consists of finding their way in the accepted canon, of saying the right thing. The outsider status of the initiates is an illusion and mere waiting-time. It would be giving them too much credit to call them renegades; they wear overlarge horn-rimmed glasses on their mediocre faces, solely to better pass themselves off as “brilliant” to themselves and to others in the general competition. They are already exactly like them. The subjective precondition of opposition, the non-normalized judgment, goes extinct, while its trappings continue to be carried out as a group ritual."
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 24 January 2014 03:22 (ten years ago) link
(or: "fuckin hipsters" - Theodor Adorno, 1951.)
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 24 January 2014 03:23 (ten years ago) link
that just sounds like a definition of "poseurs" to me, the "hangers on" in any arty or intellectual "scene" throughout history
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 24 January 2014 03:32 (ten years ago) link
Hurting you shouldn't clown Johnny Fever like that
― mh, Friday, 24 January 2014 03:36 (ten years ago) link
who would adorno be on ILX?
hstencil? adam in nyc?
― ★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Friday, 24 January 2014 03:38 (ten years ago) link
are those dated references? i don't know who's around here any more.
I remember 'trucker hats ironically' from way, way back in my youth, a different era
― cardamon, Friday, 24 January 2014 03:43 (ten years ago) link
And while that Adorno quote is wonderful I think it's way too easy to place people in the category he outlines there on the basis of their appearance or selected quotes, without really knowing anything about them
― cardamon, Friday, 24 January 2014 03:45 (ten years ago) link
Which is an obvious point probably made better many times upthread, but that's why I keep away from 'hipster' as a pejorative anyhow.
― cardamon, Friday, 24 January 2014 03:47 (ten years ago) link
have not seen a trucker hat on anyone ironically or unironically since 1992
― my whole family is catholic so look at the pickle i'm in (zachlyon), Friday, 24 January 2014 03:50 (ten years ago) link
poor ironic trucker hats have been taking a beating for a good fifteen years now.
(yeah adorno's a wee bit mean, though he's at least equally mean about everything and everyone. that bit, on "intellectuals", is section 132 here - http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/adorno/1951/mm/ch03.htm. good fun. 'mediocre faces' is especially harsh - it's not bad enough that you're living the bad life, you're also ugly.)
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 24 January 2014 03:50 (ten years ago) link
adorno's meanness or rather his lack of generosity is one of the things that makes me struggle with taking him all that seriously as a cultural critic.
― ★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Friday, 24 January 2014 03:53 (ten years ago) link
a lot of it is just that his own cultural horizons were fairly limited and he's writing about a lot of stuff w/o anything resembling intimate knowledge. but a lot of folks before me have pointed this out.
― ★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Friday, 24 January 2014 03:55 (ten years ago) link
On the wall, deceptively original color prints of famous artists, such as Van Gogh’s Sunflowers or the Café at Arles, on the bookshelf derivative works on socialism and psychoanalysis and a little sex-research for the uninhibited with inhibitions. In addition, the Random House edition of Proust – Scott Moncrieff’s translation deserved a better fate – exclusivity at reduced prices, whose exterior alone, the compact-economic form of the omnibus, is a mockery of the author, whose every sentence knocks a received opinion out of action, while he now plays, as a prize-winning homosexual, the same role with youth as books on animals of the forest and the North Pole expedition in the German home.
― cardamon, Friday, 24 January 2014 03:56 (ten years ago) link
sheesh, you can't win with this guy.
― ★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Friday, 24 January 2014 03:57 (ten years ago) link
^ at least this sort of thing is just him doing a round the houses criticism of how broken capitalist society is as a whole, and, in this section, spending time on the case of young bohemian intellectuals
― cardamon, Friday, 24 January 2014 03:58 (ten years ago) link
Maybe the outrage against hipsters is what we're left with when you subtract the broad scope and the marxism from Adorno
― cardamon, Friday, 24 January 2014 03:59 (ten years ago) link