i don't think any historian today wd make many claims to objectivity
well true but perhaps "presented as objective history" is quite close all the same
― zvookster, Monday, 30 September 2013 15:58 (ten years ago) link
"the arab world" isn't the same as saying islamic society, just for starters
― zvookster, Monday, 30 September 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link
I was trying to be inclusive towards the persians
― Mordy , Monday, 30 September 2013 16:03 (ten years ago) link
Maybe you can Gabbneb and Shakey Mo to post on your Annoying Jews of ILX Board
I have no memory of what prompted this
― what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 September 2013 16:24 (ten years ago) link
how prevalent is holocaust denial among them really
it is really prevalent
― what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 September 2013 16:26 (ten years ago) link
that's not the only time I ever remember him saying something vaguely anti-Jewish, fwiw
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Monday, 30 September 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link
I don't really care it's just weird that gabbneb and I would ever be on the same side of anything lol
― what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 September 2013 16:33 (ten years ago) link
It was an hourlong programme focusing on the foundation of israel and developments since in context of a series on the history of the jews, told by a historian with a trait of personalising the subject.
Attacking him for mentioning that he thought israel had a right to exist (i suppose more correctly stating one of the justifications for same) seems to be the reaction of a viewer just waiting for the chance to jump.
Fwiw he addressed from various povs the thoughts of israelis who were uneasy about the placement of their settlements on cleared palestinian villages, israelis taking advantage of available housing on disputed expansions, interviewed ppl re the changing borders after and since 67, and there were varying degrees of doubt and belligerence throughout without much in the way of input from him.
The only person he took pains to clearly disagree with advocated (in as many words) a return to the biblical borders. Schama found it visibly difficult to engage with this guy and admitted as much in the next section where he and another guy dismissed these views as near enough lunacy.
He finished with a final piece p critical of the israeli state as is imo, but certainly not denying its right to exist nor asserting that, as an outsider, he had much right to a judgement at all.
In no way an hour of propaganda imo, he was never gonna present an arab case for redress in this series.
― hey racists can be joyless too yknow (darraghmac), Monday, 30 September 2013 18:39 (ten years ago) link
PICTS PLEASE
― Laurel, Tuesday, January 22, 2008
^^ far better post than this thread deserved
― Aimless, Monday, 30 September 2013 23:51 (ten years ago) link
did anyone make reference to the canonical sunny successor post re: "annoying" ?
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Monday, 30 September 2013 23:52 (ten years ago) link
uh
look idk how to say this sarahell but the jews have a different canon
― hey racists can be joyless too yknow (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 09:27 (ten years ago) link
Didn't know about The Story of the Jews until today but found it on video and the history graduate in me had a nerdgasm finding out about the Geniza collection because omg
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 01:22 (ten years ago) link
geniza collection is super cool - i visited the JTS archive in college and was really amazed
― Mordy , Wednesday, 22 January 2014 01:46 (ten years ago) link
The bits in the archive they showed looked incredible, including the kids' doodles.
Found it on vimeo, not video, I should say.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 02:06 (ten years ago) link
This isn't really the thread for it I know but I just barrelled through the whole thing and I really loved it. Anyone complaining about that last episode is ridiculous, although I do recognise that I'm coming from a position that is if not in lockstep with Schama's at least close to it. Still, it's pretty damning of the settlements and, in a way, the pitfalls of nationalism (which, as is pointed out in the last three episodes, is one of the major sources of the horrors in Europe). Given that, I just can't understand someone complaining to the BBC.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 09:39 (ten years ago) link
Pardon me, but is this the thread where ILX gathers to annoy jews?
― Aimless, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
There should be a star beside each Jewish user's name.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:33 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flopson, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link
― Aimless, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 18:17 (2 hours ago) Permalink
no, you merely petition for the right to do so here
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 20:38 (ten years ago) link
can I get a star next to my name
― frogbs, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link
it'll cost ya
― quincie, Thursday, 23 January 2014 01:33 (ten years ago) link
You gotta work for it
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 23 January 2014 02:37 (ten years ago) link
Please, sir! May I annoy some jews?
http://thehpalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/oliver_twist_david_lean_0.jpg
― Aimless, Thursday, 23 January 2014 04:40 (ten years ago) link
Pe-ti-TIOOOOON ...PETITION!
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 January 2014 04:45 (ten years ago) link
No one gonna post Alec Guinness from that film?
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 23 January 2014 05:26 (ten years ago) link