"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

i was wondering, where is cindy or whatever she's called. that would have been funny. also yeah note was underwhelming and weird.

I would not have been surprised at that point if that note had been in secret island symbol code, or mirror writing, which is near indecipherable according to the Da Vinci Code.

I thought they laid the Jesus stuff on a bit thick - it's so obvious that Locke will be resurrected, possibly the next episode.

Watching this again, weird that Sayid didn't say a single word. Pretty sure he's on that plane against his will.

Jack as Jacob had never occurred to me but it makes so much sense. Well, I say 'sense' but hey. The question of what's inside the temple seems increasingly important as the series goes on.

It strikes me that people are getting a bit dissatisfied now we're actually getting answers, or pieces of answers. Like, how much actual sense did you expect it to make? I think we're going to be in hurtling-towards-conclusion overdriven plot mode from now on, but a bit more action wouldn't go amiss, or alternatively a big twist.

alternatively a big twist.

word. i hope desmond is right and they're being right-royally fucked with.

Everytime he saw someone--Jack, Ben--get on the plane Sayyid looked like he wanted to say something, but stopped himself. The lady marshall with him seemed weirdly emotive, like she was upset about something.

Rewatching the episode, I thought the funniest part was when Jill asked Jack what was in the bag and is then all like, "Oh sorry, I guess maybe you're not as dumb as Ben says you are."

I lie the idea that the Purple Sky stopped the Island moving and Ben started it again. Makes the whole "you have to move the Island" thing seem more like a repair job than something momentous--i.e. "a measure of last resort."

If failing to push the button led to the island being exposed to Widmore, it's odd that captured Ben tried to convince Locke not to push it. Maybe he didn't know what would happen, or the writers hadn't thought that far ahead at that point.

I "like" the idea

Every apparition in Jacob's cabin is a blood-relative of Jack (so jacob is actually aged jack stuck in time vortex?)

Jacob = the name that James is a variant of - Jacob = Sawyer?? (Hence the alternate name for Sawyer). Meaning: heel-grabber (not 5th-toe grabber :( )
Jack = a form of the name John - Jack & Locke = linked?

Yeah I'm bored.

If it was Jack's job to "Shepherd" everyone onto this flight, was it Christian's job to do so the first time? Is that why he had so many associations with on-island people (Claire, Jack, Sawyer, etc.)?

Anyone else think that maybe the station where Desmond was punching in the numbers was actually a way to lock the island in space and/or time?

Yes.

I felt like the ultimate point of the shoes on Locke & the suicide note was that Jack had to become a believer. It's obvious at this point he is somehow more important to the island than anyone else (apart from Locke and Hurley).

Also I figured the marshall lady is some sort of associate/employee of Ben's.

Ben did ask if (male name) and (female name) had packed, I wonder if they correspond with the two others in the "island" section of the plane..

The numbers they were entering in the station had to do with coefficients of some formula that predicted the end of the earth. If any of the coefficients changed, they could portray that via the buttons. They revealed all of this a few summers ago during the webisodes. Not sure where to find it all now. Also not sure how the numbers corresponded to the "island flash!"

Oh, here, wikipedia explains it all:
According to the DHARMA Orientation video in the Lost Experience, the Numbers represent the factors of the Valenzetti Equation, which claims to accurately predict when humanity will be extinguished. The numbers also add up to 108, the time limit the survivors have to input the numbers in the hatch and "Save The World", and the number of days the Oceanic Six were on the island before being rescued. Also, there are 6 numbers - the same number as the six people rescued.[citation needed] The writers introduced the numbers solely to engineer a meeting between Hurley and Rousseau, not because they had a plan for the numbers.[15]

I totally support a spin off of Jin and Daniel in a boat in the ocean. "Found", perhaps? It could be about the coming of age of two men, seperated by language, but linked by destiny.-

whoever first pointed to the recaps on pajiba.com upthread, thanks! the last one made it seem like a much better episode than it was: http://www.pajiba.com/lost-316-recap.htm

yow

You're welcome! I love them recaps.

okay, confusing

flopping limply toward the big finish

^^crazy.

this episode was all whaaaaaaaaaat.

am upset that Lt. Daniels was real and not a creepy island apparition.

I'm more upset that he totally went out like a punk and we're probably not gonna get any more back story on him (likely due to the actor being a main cast member of Fringe).

yeah that too. but we don't really need any more backstories on anybody tbh - dude "who makes sure people get where they need to go" is enough for me.

Locke episodes are always fantastic and this was no exception.

thinking we won't see walt again, this was kind of a graceful way to finish his story, even though he is a lot of loose ends. but I'm super confused about ben's relationship to eloise, why he killed john after hearing him mention her, etc.

Probably he just needed to get that piece of information from him, since he wasn't sure himself how to find the island again.

Kate/Locke scene was aces -- "Look how far you've come!"

Terry O Quinn, so great this ep. The bit where Locke's preparing to hang himself was deeply upsetting.

yeah it's quite possible that Ben didn't know that Eloise was in LA. On the other hand, Eloise seems like a free agent - both Widmore and Ben know her but it's not clear whose side she's on or if she's on any side at all.

Love Locke's efforts to convince people.

*resigned pause*

"... we have to go back!"

I was really holding out for a "dont tell me what I cant do!" redux.

this was a great episode. very enjoyable. ben killing locke def took me by surprise, as did the last scene.

goddamn ben. can't wait for the scene where Locke will be all "asshole you killed me!!" and Ben will be all "But you were supposed to die anyway and i got you back here rite?" and Locke is all >_<

dude "who makes sure people get where they need to go" is enough for me.

was initially pissed off cos want to know exactly how he came to be the one to tell Locke to go on the walkabout but i guess this was just down to Widmore remembering him, figuring he was important and having Abbadon find him - that's a bit of a stretch tho. may see Abbadon again anyway.

was lance reddick really the guy who told him to go on a walkabout?

yeah. the episode where he was pushed out the window.

Widmore didn't just remember him i think - if it's true that he was on the island for 30 years, he must have known about Alpert keeping tabs on Locke since he was born.

really confused by Ben's actions tho. he wanted to save Locke from death because he felt he was the only one who could convince the O6 to go back - the only reason Ben wants the O6 to go back is because it's Jacob's will? but once he learns Eloise is out there he doesn't need Locke anymore why not?

need a Ben flashback.

my current theory is that Ben doesn't really care about Jack, Sayid etc, he just wants to get back to the island but he doesn't know how. So he keeps tabs on the O6 knowing that if any of them had business left on the island, someone would eventually come looking for them with a way to get back. Locke mentions Eloise, and I guess that was all Ben needed to know.

I think he just wanted to forestall Locke's death long enough to pump all the info he could out of him so that he could figure out a way to go back too. He wasn't supposed to go back with the O6 (or 5), evidenced by the fact that he's on a cot with the crash survivors instead of magically beamed down with Jack/Kate/Hurley/etc.
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there's a few ways i would've liked to have seen this play out better. it might've been cool if it had started with Jack racing down hospital ward to the person just brought in, only to realise it was Locke, for example. was also hoping Locke would appear somewhere different to where Ben did (no big deal tho).

it's not too clear if all of the O5 did end up in Dharmaland though. The new lady also said that Lapidus took off with a woman - Sun? No idea where Sayid is either. xp

also thought it was great that Locke figured out that Christian was Jack's dad.

I wonder if Frank feels complete now that he's crash-landed a plane on the island.

I think I've given up on deciding whether Ben or Widmore is the biggest asshole. Now, I am completely expecting an eleventh hour reveal showing us that Alpert is actually the biggest asshole.

yeah was the plane pretty much completely intact? i guess they won't be hearing any smokemonster tho (are they on the other side of the island and was Locke looking out at the other island early on?)

argh lostpedia hasn't updated yet

it looked like they might have landed on the Hydra island actually.

Lostpedia is having issues - no one's been able to update the wiki at all today.

it seemed like ben was more startled by the idea that jin is still alive, and that was when he decided to kill locke ... by the time the eloise revelation came out, it seemed like ben was already preparing to kill locke. but i'm not sure why the jin revelation would be such a big deal to ben

Maybe because he thought it meant Michael wasn't successful in blowing up the freighter for him?

maybe cause locke said he wouldnt bring sun back so the only way to get her back is if lockes dead

Was that the end of Walt on the show? It seems like a big plot hole that he has huge telekinetic abilities and is important to the island somehow, but it's no big deal if he comes back or not...?

Had Locke told Ben that he was told he had to die before Ben killed him? It's possible Ben knew from some other way, but I really don't think he had been told that part...