2008 Primaries Thread

when you presume you make an ass out of you, me, and legendary long distance runner steve prefontaine

I think if she tried to make MI and FL count, it'd be VERY transparent to the voting public. It's not like the DNC decided after the fact that those states wouldn't count; Obama made a decision not to campaign in Michigan and Florida because he knew they didn't count.

for the record she IS trying, I just can't see a reason for the Party to kowtow to her demands

right -- and there's plenty of time to make peace with MI and FL during the general election campaign, yes?

I'll likely be voting for "Jesse" on the 5th as the feasible STOP RODHAM choice.

(and wearing my '72 McGovern button)

I've actually never doubted that the Florida delegates will be counted, eventually. Let's see.

OK, that's disgusting that she's trying.

do you guys really think the democratic party are really that stupid?

I got a call from some neighbor of mine to work the Obama California campaign leading up to Feb 5th.

I might do it, haven't decided.

see? the only people i think would be happy at hillary's trying would be her supporters, especially in MI and FL -- it's not exactly gonna win anyone else.

but is daria around to give a counterpoint?

when you assume you make an ass etc

This would be perfect without the "etc".

i cant make my face into an ass

also, startling to see how promptly Clinton supporters are aiming turds at the Kennedys

examples plz

just blog comment trolls, nothing of note

Romney's apparently picking up steam in Florida (tho I don't know how Crist's endorsement will impact the GOP primary), but Romney needs to get stories like this to Florida GOP voters.

If Florida's GOP voters know enough about this, it should make a difference, maybe a game-changing difference.

did i miss a link to an article about the HRC/MI/FL thing? why is everyone talking about this now?

If McCain does NOT win Florida, I will be very happy.

Even better if it's Ghouliani

Romney's done. Giuliani supporters are McCain-supporters-in-waiting, and dude has already essentially endorsed his friend. Huckabee supporters are at least equally if not more likely to go McCain, and Huckabee's got no love for Romney and is increasingly an entrant in the McCain veepstakes. Fox News hates Romney. Whose endorsement is he gonna get? Jeb's been pretty quiet. Dick? There's a popular guy.

I dunno - its been mentioned several places over the last few days that she's been pushing for it.

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i mean, i could be wrong, but i think we know who the repub candidate's gonna be.

Huckabee supporters are at least equally if not more likely to go McCain

really? why do you say this? I wouldn't have drawn this conclusion but I haven't been following FL closely - what with their track record of not knowing how to vote/hold an election.

Romney's done. Giuliani supporters are McCain-supporters-in-waiting, and dude has already essentially endorsed his friend. Huckabee supporters are at least equally if not more likely to go McCain, and Huckabee's got no love for Romney and is increasingly an entrant in the McCain veepstakes. Fox News hates Romney. Whose endorsement is he gonna get? Jeb's been pretty quiet. Dick? There's a popular guy.

I HOPE YOU ARE WRONG.

i mean, i could be wrong, but i think we know who the repub candidate's gonna be.

Parker Posey??????

http://i30.tinypic.com/v9efr.jpg

I don't know how the whole MI thing went down, to be honest. I think it's kind of assumed the delegates will be seated anyway. I guess Florida's reps are not happy about the DNC's move, of course.. and again not sure what the deal is, beyond having heard that, frankly, under Dean the DNC is sort of off on an island and clashing with other organizations in the party (DCCC, DSCC, DLCC). Clintonistas vs Dean, Clintonistas vs Kennedys..

i mean, i could be wrong, but i think we know who the repub candidate's gonna be.

Agreed, but at what cost to the GOP?

it's come up again because the FL primary is tomorrow -- but Hillary's campaign released this on Jan 15th:

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGFhZmRhOTNiNWE1YzBiYzRlNmZlNThlZTE3MjMyZWI=

Let us be clear about something else, however. While Senator Clinton will honor her commitment not to campaign in Florida in violation of the pledge, she also intends to honor her pledge to hear the voices of all Americans. The people of Michigan and Florida have just as much of a right to have their voices heard as anyone else. It is disappointing to hear a major Democratic presidential candidate tell the voters of ANY state that their voices aren’t important.

Everyone is talking about Florida now because Hillary will be holding an event there after the polls close and a bunch of bloggers got bent out of shape and keep talking about how she's breaking a pledge to the DNC (not true), which is good for Hillary because it keeps people talking about Florida.

Florida, Mrs. Clinton will hear you now.

Talking about Florida = South Carolina is yesterday's news
Not a bad plan

HRC understands Florida Democrats who, like her, are searching for their voice.

daria, why do you assume that the "delegates will be seated anyway"? i don't understand how you reach that conclusion so easily.

HRC spending energy in Florida is probably best for Obama, who's better off spending energy in Virginia or the south Rockies states, i.e. the most swingin'est swing states that were red in 2004.

Not to mention Ohio.

If the Dem nom gets all the Kerry blue states plus Ohio, the Dems win.

Talking about Florida Kennedy endorsements = South Carolina is yesterday's news

fixed

Well I don't know, I'm just guessing that once it gets to the convention we may know clearly who the nominee will be and the # of Florida delegates won't make any difference so no more interest in pissing them off. I think I've just read it enough places to see it as conventional wisdom..

... uh... the "conventional wisdom" that i'm reading is that this contest may very well last right up to the convention and that it's become a fight for delegates, rather than states?

I'm not sure if Kennedy helps. It's sort of at odds with the notion of change and new ideas and such. Kennedy as establishment Democrat old politics goes way back further than the Clintons in this regard. Maybe I'm wrong but it's like why do Kerry and Kennedy want to revive the 60's.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r4/Heimdall00/Romney-Florida.jpg

provide sources if you like, i'm not trying to provoke any sort of response but i want to know where you're reading this xpost

THAT'S THE SPIRIT, AND WHAT!

maybe because the 60s were a time of unprecedented and widespread civic action?

Huckabee... is increasingly an entrant in the McCain veepstakes

fucking gross.

It could be a fight all the way to the convention. In which case, well, I guess they'll fight about Florida and Michigan too but the whole thing will generally be a clusterfuck, with the superdelegates and all.

OK, here's one - Democrats Strip Michigan of Delegates

"No one at this table believes that the delegates from Florida and Michigan will be absent from the convention," Fowler told the rules panel.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., said in a statement: "The threat not to seat the delegates of Michigan and Florida at the Democratic convention is a hollow threat. They will be seated, and when they are, it will be plain for all to see that the privileged position that New Hampshire and Iowa have extracted through threats and pledges from candidates is on its last legs."

link is bad :(

gabbneb i disagree about romney. i think he's going to win tomorrow, and i think he wins the nomination.

does anybody have a copy/link to HST's writings in late july / early august of 2004? during and after the DNC?

http://a.abcnews.com/Politics/WireStory?id=3940764&page=2

yeah, i'm going out on a limb here - i know romney in some ways looks more like a rally-round choice - but it's my hunch