"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

It's funny how a lot of reviews I've read seem to say "this is the line!" where suspension of disbelief is just going too far - interesting.

As much as I still enjoy the show, I too feel they're pushing it. Or it's pushing me to the line where the mystery becomes the absurd. The first two, three seasons for me were special because it was so intruiging. The writing was also slower, and ofcourse we want to know everything, but the way how Lady Faraday just blurted out a near complete history of the island yesterday was a bit too much for me. The narrative gets so sped up now it's almost spinning out of control.

i think the recreating flight 815 thing is fine, it's the near complete lack of curiosity from the main characters that's gotten bothersome. anyway, sepinwall's recap nails exactly what was wrong with this episode: it centred around jack, the one guy who has no reservations left about returning to the island, so there was no drama or obstacle to get past. it would've been much more interesting to see what convinced kate or hurley (and i'm sure we'll get those stories soon anyway) but it just made *this* particular episode boring and absurd.

I think they just wanted to get the O6 back to the island as quickly as possible, somewhat wisely really.

yeah true i was very glad that they didn't wait until mid-season to get everyone back.

Do we know what the significance is of Hurley bringing (Charlie's?) guitar? Can this be looked at the same way as Jack 'brought' his father's shoes? Bring something from the dead?

Maybe Aaron's hidden in the guitar case.

I felt really let down by that episode. The Mrs Hawking stuff was just terrible:
"THIS IS HOW THEY FOUND THE ISLAND"
"O K COOL HOW ARE WE GET BACK?"

Sorry? I think you meant to ask:

WHAT IS THE DHARMA INITIATIVE?
HOW CAN A F***ING ISLAND MOVE THROUGH SPACE AND TIME?
WHY DO WE NEED TO GO BACK?

I understand that it's Lost and people don't ask questions but this series it really is descending into self-parody. Is THAT really the best explanation we are going to get about how to get to/from the island? I really hope not.

All that said, I'm really pleased they have got them back on the island by episode 5 when most of us were convinced it would take the whole series. That it took such a sloppy episode to achieve this = meh

OK Can we try to sort this one out (it hurts my head):

Desmond goes to buy Penny a ring from Mrs Hawking but changes his mind, then ends up going on a boat race and eventually on the island.

After the hatch explodes Desmond ('s consciousness?) travels back in time and he goes to try to buy Penny a ring again but this time tries to go through with it. Mrs Hawking convinces him not to, and that his destiny is to go to the island.

But initially, the first time around (if this even means anything?), Desmond went to the island without any persuasion from Mrs Hawking. Why then does he blame her for the 4 years of his life he spent on the island?

I think the second time round became the 'official' event, ie Desmond rewrote his past with Mrs Hawking in it?

The more you think about Desmond the more confusing it becomes.

isn't Ben killing Penny going the only reason Des would be motivated to return to the island (i.e. revenge), assuming that he will at some stage?

So when you travel back in time - you can change small stuff, you can have different conversations, but you can't change 'big' things like going on a boat race? Makes no sense - where does the separation of scales occur? This event has 20% more universal importance that that event, universe says no sorry.

it's more that the ISLAND says no (and not sorry)

Desmond is special somehow, I think is the thing.

I am half thinking 'actually just never explain why/how Hurley and Sayid got on the plane' because it might be more fun than whatever dumb explanation they'll eventually provide.

Lady with the badge escorting Sayid probably working for Ben.

I think she may be a real Marshall, but it was def. Ben who tipped someone off about the golf course murder.

When Ben would say "all six of you have to go back," was he including John but not Aaron?

Maybe he meant Frank. He was supposed to be piloting O-815, and keeps being drawn to the island. Maybe that's why Smokey attacked the fat guy from Heroes--he got pissed that Lapidus wasn't the pilot.

hmm i like that

I kind of like that they followed Jack's POV. They had so much stuff to get through in this episode, it would have been too much if they had dealt with or followed any of the characters whose reasons for going back needed explaining.

Sorry? I think you meant to ask:

WHAT IS THE DHARMA INITIATIVE?
HOW CAN A F***ING ISLAND MOVE THROUGH SPACE AND TIME?
WHY DO WE NEED TO GO BACK?

From the viewpoint of the people standing in the room in that scene, how are any of those questions important? Maybe, conceivably, to Jack, on an intellectual level. But Ben knows the answer to #1, and thinks he knows #3, and doesn't really care about #2. For Sun, none of those questions is key to the task, "Just get me back to my husband." Desmond doesn't care about any of them, because he isn't going anywhere anyway. So which of the characters was supposed to ask those questions?

And if anyone had asked those questions Hawking would have had to say "Hold your damn horses, we've still got another season and a half."

Though I would have liked it if Sun had asked about the four toed statue and Hawking told her she needed to bring along a giant shoe in her luggage.

and that they'd need some heroin, and Jack would need to persuade the stewardess to give him extra vodka

i think ajira airways crashed in 2007/2008 and three kings dude + sayid's escort + whoever else were prob the people in that boat shooting at the time-jumpers. Those people didn't crash in the 70s because they weren't meant to be there.

― Disco/Very (Roz), Friday, February 20, 2009 12:27 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

like it

So what year does resurrected Locke end up in?

I just think IRL if someone told me about a moving island I'd probably wanna know a little more that these guys did before I hopped on a plane to magically get back to it for no reason.

I mean sure, yeah, when Sawyer doesn't ask Locke what he's been doing in the jungle for the last two episodes...I can deal...but it's a MOVING ISLAND FFS

It isn't for no reason it is to find Jin, and to stop Juliet, Sawyer etc from dying.

Pancakes Hackman is OTM really. And we don't yet know what Locke said to Jack and how he convinced him, which is the really important bit. I think Jack probably has an idea precisely why they need to go back.

Well, they knew the island was weird already. They saw even saw it move. It sounded like Hawking was saying "yes--it does move and it's hard to find but we figured out how to find it." I don't know what Jack & Sun could have asked her at that point--to explain the physics of the movement in greater detail?

Basically I'm really looking forward to the inevitable bit where Jin, Hurley and Sawyer meet Horace and are all like "uh, sorry we snapped your head off dude".

― Maximo Park Ji-Sung (Matt DC), Friday, February 20, 2009 9:36 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it was Ben's dick of a dad, Roger "Workman" whose head they snapped off.. I do agree though that Sawyer will bring total Dharma LOLs & I can't wait.

i think ajira airways crashed in 2007/2008 and three kings dude + sayid's escort + whoever else were prob the people in that boat shooting at the time-jumpers. Those people didn't crash in the 70s because they weren't meant to be there.

― Disco/Very (Roz), Friday, February 20, 2009 12:27 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Love this!

I wish that if Kate is pregnant she had waited 'til she got to the island so that eventually she'd die..

I really hoped the suicide note was going to say

"Jack,

See you on the Island!!! :-)

John

PS - DON'T BRING BEN!"

i was so f-ing annoyed at jack not believing time priestess abt giving locke something that belonged to his dad

i know really this is where u draw the line jack

loved the reappearance of the vw bus btw - the island always delivers w/those details

If Frank is meant to be on the island, then presumably he'd have been pulled out of the plane in the flash, just like jack/hurley/kate, right? Which would leave the plane without a pilot. So yeah, seems more likely that the rest of the passengers would end up crashing than flying on to Guam.

maybe the island sometimes moves to near BERMUDA

loved the reappearance of the vw bus btw - the island always delivers w/those details

― ice cr?m, Friday, February 20, 2009 9:32 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i feel like ive said this before but one of the things i love love love about this show is its use of the earnest 70s new-age science shit that dharma does (incl. the richard alpert reference which my parents have a guffaw about every wed)--i feel like that milieu (or whatever) doesnt show up often enough in sci fi

Yeah Frank is so going back to the Island. I bet the creepy guy who's following them is as well (some Widmore lackey maybe). Interesting that Ben didn't seem bothered by his presence, maybe he intended him to be there, or maybe he just didn't care. It was Hurley who was most concerned about minimising the number of passengers on the plane.

loved the reappearance of the vw bus btw - the island always delivers w/those details

― ice cr?m, Friday, February 20, 2009 9:32 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i feel like ive said this before but one of the things i love love love about this show is its use of the earnest 70s new-age science shit that dharma does (incl. the richard alpert reference which my parents have a guffaw about every wed)--i feel like that milieu (or whatever) doesnt show up often enough in sci fi

― max, Friday, February 20, 2009 9:36 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sa good point - those were the people who really believed in scifi

btw my moms senior thesis was about meditative states and higher consciousnesses--she was a psych major at princeton--those were the days huh

creepy guy who's following them

I bet he was born on the island.

srsly xp

It isn't for no reason it is to find Jin, and to stop Juliet, Sawyer etc from dying.

but why though? i can understand wanting to find Jin but why would the O6 not leaving mean that the rest wouldn't die? If they hadn't left, wouldn't they also be time-skipping, and nose-bleeding with the rest and they would still have to go and fix the wheel anyway? it's totally not clear why the O6 needed to be on the island aside from some vague destiny still unfulfilled. but that doesn't seem to have anything to do with saving the ones left behind.

i bet we will FIND OUT!

tune in next week for more batshit insane ploting on... LOST!

If Frank is meant to be on the island, then presumably he'd have been pulled out of the plane in the flash, just like jack/hurley/kate, right? Which would leave the plane without a pilot.

Don't worry, God is his co-pilot.

the problem with finding out why is that Locke is the person who's supposed to have told them why they needed to go back, but so far Locke only knows what we know. xp

so Hurley brought a guitar because Charlie had a guitar right? i suppose the island is looking for 'an effort' to be made by each of them in this respect. and it's the thought that counts.

maybe Kate just gave Aaron to Claire's Mum (but then why the secrecy).

Yeah no one bothered to try and be Shannon/Boone/Mr Eko/Ana Lucia/Nikki and Paulo.

or Vincent

the island didnt want them to

i don't change my username but if i did i would make mine that milieu (or whatever)