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BOOTAY TOTALLY SPAZ
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Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

The world No1's remarks were not helped by the exaggerated awkward stance he adopted for a short putt at the third hole.

If they find that offensive what on earth do they make of Jim Furyk's swing??!!?!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

A. Spass? Fun guy.

(xpost: ROFFLE)

Dan (LOL At German Jokes) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

One of the regular customers in the shop I used to work in was a Russian dude called Spas Spazov!

JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm so disappointed this isn't a LOST thread.

Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i think computers have developed to the detriment of society in retrospect.

them's some long words lol

teh_kit says 'FACES' (g-kit), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

er sparkle it IS a Lost thread, in places

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Yet I still feel betrayed.

Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't at heart have any problem with this shit, unless somebody thinks "Spaz" is somehow less offensive than "Nigger". Cos that bothers me.

Dogfight Giggle (noodle vague), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Did you type that right?

Tracey "I was such a nigger on the greens today" Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I did. Hohohoh "Spaz".

Dogfight Giggle (noodle vague), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

So am I right in assuming the difference is that in the UK there's some actual history of referring to people with palsy as "spazz" or "spastic?" I might be ignorant on this one, but I don't know of any similar habit in the U.S. -- our use of "spazz" seems to connect strictly to "spastic" as, like, a general descriptive adjective. (I even feel like the article -- a spazz -- is a later modification, not descended from actually identifying anyone as a spastic.) I don't think you could use "spastic" to refer to a medical condition in the U.S. and expect to be understood.

We do all this stuff with "retard" instead.

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG Tracery

Dan (Awesome) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah tru dat about "retard", and the N word mightn't be the fairest analogy. Perhaps it'd be fairer to compare "spazz" with "faggot", where of course "faggot" doesn't actually refer to gay men, it's a general descriptive adjective.

Dogfight Giggle (noodle vague), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

the N word mightn't be the fairest analogy

OH GEE, DO YA THINK?

Dan (ROFFLE) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan seriously, I don't want to get into a offensive war, but I am fucking offended that "spaz" can be dismissed so lightheartedly.

Dogfight Giggle (noodle vague), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I never knew there was any such medical condition as "spasticity" until this thread!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

get lost

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno, maybe I'm a jerk but if calling disabled people spastic or retarded is no longer PC, surely those words are up for grabs for other uses? ie: insults :)

I mean the word spasticity has always had uses aside from describing a persons physical state and as far as I know to retard something simply means to stunt it in some way.

This cunted circus never ends... (papa november), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

just a suggestion

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Who is the black boy in the sex pistols grundy interview?

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Nabisco OTM. Spaz has never bothered me, but retard does.

I still don't understand the Lost reference, but that's just as well.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

someone in Tiger Woods's position wouldn't say it publically

seriously?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan seriously, I don't want to get into a offensive war, but I am fucking offended that "spaz" can be dismissed so lightheartedly.

Therefore that gives you free license to offend me? Is that how this works?

Dan (Try Harder) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

no but they might say it as a joke crosspost

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

if calling disabled people spastic or retarded is no longer PC, surely those words are up for grabs for other uses?

I'm not lumping words into PC or not PC, I'm not saying words are too offensive to be used. I'm thinking there are several words Tiger could've used that would've sparked a very different set of thread responses than this one, and I'm wondering why people don't think that's a problem.

Dogfight Giggle (noodle vague), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

No Dan, it don't, and I'm sorry for being an arse about it. But you seemed to think spaz was okay, and that offended me.

Dogfight Giggle (noodle vague), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

there are no winners, here, Dogfight Giggle crosspost

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

My use of the word PC was probably a poor choice.

xpost

This cunted circus never ends... (papa november), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

No Dan, it don't, and I'm sorry for being an arse about it. But you seemed to think spaz was okay, and that offended me.

You realize you are implying that you think it's okay to say "nigger" to both me and Tiger Woods with that, yes?

Dan (Seriously, Try Much Harder) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuck off, you're taking the piss now.

Dogfight Giggle (noodle vague), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

:p

Dogfight Giggle (noodle vague), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

"I'm offended, so I'm going to lash out indiscriminately at people for no good reason because I'm a gigantic tool" isn't necessarily the best way to win someone over to your argument, particularly when they aren't particularly against your argument in the first place. (Or, in your righteous ire, did you forget what the phrase "laugh at actually means? Either way, really fucking stupid, dude.)

(xpost: No, I'm not taking the piss, I'm pointing out that A) I was laughing at Tiger's slip-up, not endorsing it, even though as has already been pointed out the word "spaz" does not have anywhere near the loaded connotation in the US as it does in the UK; and B) There was no reason whatsoever for you to use the word "nigger" in this context, particularly since it did not make any logical sense in the analogy you were trying to construct AND the person you are criticizing is part black. You are basically being a big fucking asshole because you got offended and I'm calling you out for it because you need to know that if you would like to get along with ME you will never, ever, ever pull some bullshit like this again.)

Dan (FIN) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I never knew there was any such medical condition as "spasticity" until this thread!

That's the part I'm curious about, actually -- it seems like there was some point in the UK where "spastic" was at least a lay term for a set of medical conditions? Whereas in the US I think we'd say "palsy" (in medical terms) -- or, if we were being dicks and lumping shit together, "retarded."

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay. I've admitted it was a stupid fucking analogy to pull and I'll repeat that apology - it was a really fucking stupid analogy, and I'm very sorry. I didn't aim my first comment at you specifically Dan, but I knowing your replies were on the thread it was a snidey, stupid thing to say.

At least partially I was trying to say that any slur-word is context specific and so without criticizing people for smirking at "spaz" I don't find it casually funny.

But that's not a justification and I'm sorry for being a douche.

Dogfight Giggle (noodle vague), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

SCOPE to thread

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I appreciate that, thanks.

Dan (Seriously) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

as has already been pointed out the word "spaz" does not have anywhere near the loaded connotation in the US as it does in the UK

Strange then, that US news organisations should sanitise the quote.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe they did it to avoid offending their British ilxor readership

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

what the hell just happened?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Strange then, that US news organisations should sanitise the quote.

the New York Times sets the standard and they sanitize all sorts of stuff

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

you would never see the word 'fucking' in a US newspaper

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Cf recent NYTimes flap over the word "scumbag" appearing in the crossword puzzle! (For the US, "scumbag" is more connected to its original "condom" usage than "spazz" is to "palsy," but it's still fairly disconnected, and the crossword instance was clued with something like "scoundrel," which is how people usually understand it.)

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link

The BBC weighs in.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

SCUMBAG MEANS CONDOM?

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

yep!

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

this word is hardly considered offensive in the US.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

TOP TEN WORST WORDS

1. Retard
2. Spastic
3. Window-licker
4. Mong
5. Special
6. Brave
7. Cripple
8. Psycho
9. Handicapped
10. Wheelchair-bound

Dan ("Window-licker"??? "BRAVE"???????) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"Brave" is routinely used in the UK media to describe anyone dealing with any kind of illness or disabililty.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Special! What about the Special Olympics?

Also seeing that list I assumed "brave" meant American Indians and was wondering why it was in a list of words clearly dealing with the handicapped.

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

in real life I am not in town but will let you know

RJG, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 10:34 (sixteen years ago) link

That's not the only game banned for use of "spastic" in the past couple of months!

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ubisoft.s-mind-quiz/another-offensive-game-gets-pulled-273614.php

I dunno, but where I'm from spaz/spastic are about as offensive as dumb or idiot. "Spaz" doesn't even mean "act disabled" here, it's more like "get really mad."

Will M., Thursday, 19 July 2007 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I bought mario party 8 but am not getting it

RJG, Thursday, 19 July 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link

awesome I have a totally offensive game

El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 July 2007 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link

wish I did : (

RJG, Thursday, 19 July 2007 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link

I dunno, but where I'm from spaz/spastic are about as offensive as dumb or idiot. "Spaz" doesn't even mean "act disabled" here, it's more like "get really mad."

Yeah, it's like when I was a kid 'gay' used to mean lame, but then it meant homosexual and people got upset about me saying it.

dowd, Thursday, 19 July 2007 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link


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