2008 Primaries Thread

half the registered democrats in SC are black, and 4 out of 5 of them voted for obama -- should we all pretend this isn't so?

from a political-trainspotting perspective, absolutely not. that doesn't mean it should be a talking point that implies that whites won't vote for Obama and will vote for Hillary. especially when Hillary couldn't beat him among white men in a red state.

did you see John Edwards on David Letterman recently? he looks like 30 Rock Kenneth when he grins. also, I still like him, too.

OMG, maybe it's because I watched like 5 episodes of 30 Rock last night, but I was just thinking this.

Shakey, the point of Edwards campaign as of now is to stay relevant and get a seat at the table when the pie is sliced. He likes the idea of making a difference in the outcome.

Never mind that his ideas aren't really very different. He thinks the differences are worth more than they are and that he is fighting for something important - his nuances. Like many politicians, it comes down to his ego getting tied to his politics to where he can't really tell them apart.

looooooo @ rudy

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RUDY RECORD

- "Fought on the front lines of the culture wars and won: He cleaned up Times Square, driving out prostitutes and pornography, making it safe for families."

- "Pioneered initiatives that increased adoptions by 113 %, while the number of abortions in New York City fell faster than the national average."

- "Fought to stop the use of public funds for the desecration of religious symbols and values."

lol i love standing in front of the chris ofili that's in the walker and going "now this is just shit." thx rudy~!

SOTU theme = earmarks - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8138.html

ie McCain '08

Like manyall politicians, it comes down to his ego getting tied to his politics to where he can't really tell them apart.

fixed

haha i get so gleefully schadenfreudy about rudy. the bastard could have ridden 9/11 to the bank for the rest of his life on these dubious speaking and consulting engagements but now nobody is going to listen to the pathetic fucker about anything ever again

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RUDY 08: YOU HAVE A SICKNESS

a people perverted

have you guys seen his new campaign commercial where he brags about not getting newspaper endorsements

haha, yeah

it's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4iD0JVIYmI

lol Hitchens:

How can one equal Bill Clinton for thuggery and opportunism when it comes to the so-called "race card"? And where does one even start with the breathtaking nastiness of his own conduct, and that of his supporters, in the last week? Barack Obama carries South Carolina having made no sectarian appeal to any specific kind of voter, and the best Clinton can say is that this is no better than Jesse Jackson managed to do. Really? Did Jackson come south having already got himself elected the senator from Illinois? And, come to think of it, was Jackson so much to be despised and sneered at when he was needed as Clinton's "confessor," along with Billy Graham, during the squalor of impeachment?

This calculated willingness to shop on both sides of the street of racial politics was actually analyzed quite shrewdly by Dick Morris, the former consigliere of the gruesome twosome, in conversation with Sean Hannity last week. The Clintons, he thought, would be quite happy to lose big to the "black vote" in South Carolina. It would enable them to signal that they were the ones to stem the flow of the color tide. Morris' host protested that this seemed a touch cynical. Morris jovially assured him that he knew the people he was talking about.

Does Hillary really want the Florida & Michigan delegates so bad that she will risk looking inconstant and disloyal to her own party by going against her previous commitments?

I understand that the Dem candidates were pressured by party officials in IA, NH, NV, & SC -- the early primary states -- not to campaign in MI and FL, and now that those contests have passed, it just seems like a huge slap in the face to those early states.

Classic Clinton, really.

I really don't see the party reversing its position re: MI and FL just to appease Clinton and hand her some extra (and dubiously "earned") delegates. That would look like some really craven, undemocratic, backroom manipulative bullshit to a large part of the Democratic Party.

how's "craven, undemocratic, backroom manipulative bullshit" any different from primary politics of years past?

well, touche - its hard to conceive of a scenario wherein such a move would NOT look like the party bending the rules and "crowning" Hillary against the will of the actual voters

I don't know, it just seems like a huge gamble for her campaign to even attempt it -- Does she not realize the risk she runs, i.e. appearing in the exact image of the cynical political operator that she's worked for months to counter?

She'll risk it.

the Democratic electorate got John Kerry last time. Anything's possible.

but why would the Party capitulate to her demands? What do they gain from it? They'd be risking alienating their voting base (and in turn suppressing turnout in the GE), they'd look like idiots for going back on their previous policy, etc.

i don't know why i'm feeling this NOW but her condescension and contempt towards voters is really upsetting to me

like, who the fuck does she think she is? ugh.

(don't answer that ^^^, rhetorical)

SHE IS THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE.

when you assume you make an ass etc

Well, that hurts my feelings.

when you presume you make an ass out of you, me, and legendary long distance runner steve prefontaine

I think if she tried to make MI and FL count, it'd be VERY transparent to the voting public. It's not like the DNC decided after the fact that those states wouldn't count; Obama made a decision not to campaign in Michigan and Florida because he knew they didn't count.

for the record she IS trying, I just can't see a reason for the Party to kowtow to her demands

right -- and there's plenty of time to make peace with MI and FL during the general election campaign, yes?

I'll likely be voting for "Jesse" on the 5th as the feasible STOP RODHAM choice.

(and wearing my '72 McGovern button)

I've actually never doubted that the Florida delegates will be counted, eventually. Let's see.

OK, that's disgusting that she's trying.

do you guys really think the democratic party are really that stupid?

I got a call from some neighbor of mine to work the Obama California campaign leading up to Feb 5th.

I might do it, haven't decided.

see? the only people i think would be happy at hillary's trying would be her supporters, especially in MI and FL -- it's not exactly gonna win anyone else.

but is daria around to give a counterpoint?

when you assume you make an ass etc

This would be perfect without the "etc".

i cant make my face into an ass

also, startling to see how promptly Clinton supporters are aiming turds at the Kennedys

examples plz

just blog comment trolls, nothing of note

Romney's apparently picking up steam in Florida (tho I don't know how Crist's endorsement will impact the GOP primary), but Romney needs to get stories like this to Florida GOP voters.

If Florida's GOP voters know enough about this, it should make a difference, maybe a game-changing difference.

did i miss a link to an article about the HRC/MI/FL thing? why is everyone talking about this now?

If McCain does NOT win Florida, I will be very happy.

Even better if it's Ghouliani

Romney's done. Giuliani supporters are McCain-supporters-in-waiting, and dude has already essentially endorsed his friend. Huckabee supporters are at least equally if not more likely to go McCain, and Huckabee's got no love for Romney and is increasingly an entrant in the McCain veepstakes. Fox News hates Romney. Whose endorsement is he gonna get? Jeb's been pretty quiet. Dick? There's a popular guy.

I dunno - its been mentioned several places over the last few days that she's been pushing for it.

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i mean, i could be wrong, but i think we know who the repub candidate's gonna be.

Huckabee supporters are at least equally if not more likely to go McCain

really? why do you say this? I wouldn't have drawn this conclusion but I haven't been following FL closely - what with their track record of not knowing how to vote/hold an election.