tn is the deep south?
― mookieproof, Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
think it is conceivably reassuring for someone to see one being worn?, idk
― szarkasm (schlump), Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:14 (ten years ago) link
disgraceful decision
― Treeship, Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:22 (ten years ago) link
it was looking like this verdict was kind of inevitable though? from a legal standpoint.
― circa1916, Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:29 (ten years ago) link
from a this society is the worst just fuck it standpoint
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:35 (ten years ago) link
i don't know about the legal particulars of the case but whatever they are they are bullshit.
― Treeship, Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:37 (ten years ago) link
you shouldn't be able to harass people and then shoot them because you have a vigilante fantasy. the law should be designed to prevent people from doing this.
― Treeship, Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:38 (ten years ago) link
humans are garbage
― Just Elevate... And Decide In The Air -- Above the Rim (dan m), Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:39 (ten years ago) link
one of my best friends is garbage
― mookieproof, Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:43 (ten years ago) link
the others are cats?
― the most promising US ilxor has thrown the TOWEL IN (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:48 (ten years ago) link
Zimmerman's brother: "Trayvon Martin had the right to go home".
― collardio gelatinous, Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:49 (ten years ago) link
there was never any legal complexity here, there aren't two sides to most issues. there's no excuse.
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:51 (ten years ago) link
fucking ann coulter fucking everyonei am turning off media for the night
― how bad could it be to be stuck to the couch, forever... (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:58 (ten years ago) link
Zimmerman's brother going after Trayvon on CNN
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:59 (ten years ago) link
I basically just outed my brother's lifelong bigotry on facebook to prove a point. He still doesn't get it.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:59 (ten years ago) link
times like these make me glad i don't have facebook
― k3vin k., Sunday, 14 July 2013 04:01 (ten years ago) link
in case you're not feeling despair about the state of america you might want to try searching twitter for "fireworks" right now
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 14 July 2013 04:07 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Steele_Michael/status/356245351130337282
― balls, Sunday, 14 July 2013 04:15 (ten years ago) link
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, July 14, 2013 4:07 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I was pretty sure I heard fireworks immediately after the verdict and thought it couldn't possibly be true, and then a friend from florida and a friend from Minnesota said they heard the same thing in their neighborhoods.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 14 July 2013 04:21 (ten years ago) link
what kind of an idiot family whose last name is zimmerman would name one of their sons robert? they didn't know that one was taken?
― Treeship, Sunday, 14 July 2013 04:49 (ten years ago) link
You mean by Bob Dylan??? No, I would say they didn't know it was taken. Surely no more than 1% of the US population knows that "Robert Zimmerman" was Bob Dylan's birth name.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:01 (ten years ago) link
that can't be true. at least 96% of american households have a copy of hunky dory, in which bowie at addresses dylan as "robert zimmerman" on "song for dylan".
― Treeship, Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:04 (ten years ago) link
no wonder Robert Zimmerman became such fast friends with Gordon Sumner and Archibald Leach at school
― Gukbe, Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:07 (ten years ago) link
there was never any legal complexity here
mmm, kinda was. not to pee on the outrage parade, i think it's gross that this dude gets off completely clean, but it's pretty hard to nail this dude down based on the rules of the game.
― circa1916, Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:08 (ten years ago) link
i say dude way too much.
― circa1916, Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:09 (ten years ago) link
GZ created a situation where a situation wasn't, and that situation resulted in the discharge of a sidearm that fatally injured an unarmed person. He was negligent from the get-go and a manslaughter conviction should've been a slam dunk.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:10 (ten years ago) link
But didn't the prosecutor go for murder rather than manslaughter? That's a much higher hurdle, because you need to prove intent, right? Zimmerman should be in jail right now, for manslaughter.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:12 (ten years ago) link
They were able to add a manslaughter charge before the jury was sent to deliberations.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:13 (ten years ago) link
I didn't follow the trial, but was that a last minute addition, or did they explain the case for manslaughter from the start? I just don't see how he could not be guilty of manslaughter. I mean, I do see, but I don't ... see.
Meanwhile: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:14 (ten years ago) link
Media right now: "bla bla riot bla bla bla riot bla bla riot"
― StanM, Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:21 (ten years ago) link
i'm glad IF trayvon got a few swings in before he was shot.
mods feel free to delete this post, if necessary.
― hair like e.j. dionne (boy_slayer), Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:29 (ten years ago) link
Even though I'm not surprised, I'm really upset by this. both by the lack of justice for Trayvon, and the disgusting behaviors it's already prompted. and because I'm about 25 miles from it, I'm not likely to hear the end of it anytime soon.
I don't think I can say anything else about this atm.
― staff rules everything around Mi (Neanderthal), Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:46 (ten years ago) link
i would wear a hoodie (with dress shirt and tie beneath) for the next week if it weren't summer. i know it's stupid. i just. want to. scream.
AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHGHHGHGHGHGHGHGHHHHHHHHH.
― hair like e.j. dionne (boy_slayer), Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:50 (ten years ago) link
i guess it's just saturday night. but, i want this thread to clusterfuck with yelling and screaming and such. i hope you lot, which are not here, are pissed wherever you are (i know that a lot of you are finding out on tvs at bars, yr friends, etc.)
― welcome princess of hell (boy_slayer), Sunday, 14 July 2013 05:58 (ten years ago) link
you are seriously the fucking worst
go troll for attention somewhere else, asshole
― mookieproof, Sunday, 14 July 2013 06:01 (ten years ago) link
mookieproof otm
― staff rules everything around Mi (Neanderthal), Sunday, 14 July 2013 06:04 (ten years ago) link
also can I just say thank you to everyone in this thread for the reminder that there are decent people that exist in this world.
― staff rules everything around Mi (Neanderthal), Sunday, 14 July 2013 06:05 (ten years ago) link
Well, it's official, folks: murder is legal in the state of Florida.
― del griffith, Sunday, 14 July 2013 06:20 (ten years ago) link
Murder your own toddler, murder a neighbor's kid, murder everybody! It's a free for all!
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 14 July 2013 06:23 (ten years ago) link
*if you're white
otm. I don't think there was enough evidence to convict him of murder but my god there should've been enough for SOMETHING. so sad/angry that someone can do what GZ did in this country and not be punished whatsoever. the fact that some people are gloating/cheering over the decision is truly sickening.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 14 July 2013 06:29 (ten years ago) link
― del griffith, Sunday, July 14, 2013 1:20 AM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
basically. if you start a confrontation that escalates into a brawl, and then you shoot the other person dead, you should be alright. provided said other person is the only witness and you have demonstrable injuries (however minor) to attest to the brawl.
reminder to self: don't patronize any bars in florida.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 14 July 2013 07:07 (ten years ago) link
i'd like to read a lawyer's, or someone smart at the NYer or something, take on the manslaughter charge
― k3vin k., Sunday, 14 July 2013 07:16 (ten years ago) link
yeah when they introduced it (or rather when the judge allowed it), maybe it was too late? was the jury given instructions on what manslaughter entails?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 14 July 2013 07:20 (ten years ago) link
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-jury-asks-manslaughter-clarification/story?id=19657201
"May we please have clarification on the instructions regarding manslaughter," the jury wrote to Judge Debra Nelson this evening.After consulting with the lawyers for both sides, the judge sent the jurors a reply that said the court cannot engage in "general discussions" on the charge, and added, "If you have a specific question please submit it."
After consulting with the lawyers for both sides, the judge sent the jurors a reply that said the court cannot engage in "general discussions" on the charge, and added, "If you have a specific question please submit it."
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 14 July 2013 07:22 (ten years ago) link
i have nothing valuable to say about this but i'm sad tonight.
― """""""""""""stalin""""""""""" (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 14 July 2013 07:23 (ten years ago) link
this is not bad i guess
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/07/law-and-justice-and-george-zimmerman/277772/
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 14 July 2013 07:26 (ten years ago) link
isn't it a judge's job to clarify the description of a law or charge? at least to provide the statutory language?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 14 July 2013 07:27 (ten years ago) link
was the reasonable doubt wrt to manslaughter GZ alleging that he was walking back to his car and Trayvon attacked him w/o provocation?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 14 July 2013 07:27 (ten years ago) link
i think most lawyers agree that pressing for second degree murder was overreaching from the very beginning, done moreso for the sake of appearing to listen to public discourse rather than for legal feasibility
― 乒乓, Sunday, 14 July 2013 07:31 (ten years ago) link