Blimey Mark. Full-on shit there. Er, I'll go with it, but LHO managed a fatal shot? Or maybe he *would* have if CIA guy hadn't? I'm well outta my depth, my Dad was mad into it and I was all yeah yeah: classic conspiracy scene: Annie Hall.
The motorcade sped on...
― Steinski (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:53 (twenty years ago) link
i think oswald did it end-of-story, but if you want a good conspiracy, menninger's is my favourite on aesthetix-of-slapstick grounds
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:08 (twenty years ago) link
Or just read Posner's book.
― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 17 October 2003 15:08 (twenty years ago) link
Quite honestly though the most despicable thing about JFK the film is that it names and implicates Clay Shaw as being involved in the killing, when in reality he was just a businessman with an extremely tenuous connection to the CIA. Garrison was a scumbag, really. Tried to indict a guy from Cali in the JFK plot, because he once wrote him the prez a threatening letter.
― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 18 October 2003 03:19 (twenty years ago) link
I have a friend who always gets pretty mad at historical inaccuracies in movies (esp regarding world war II movies).
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 19 October 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 October 2003 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 20 October 2003 01:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 20 October 2003 09:32 (twenty years ago) link
― jones (actual), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link
obviously JFK complete and utter bunk as history, though of course donald sutherland makes the craziness seem almost plausible for a split second. one GOOD thing the movie did do was inspire the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act that got out a lot of previously classified documents and historical information about the era.
and i agree with gear the movie is hilarious.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link
people like that shouldn't watch movies!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link
"oh go back to sleep, Jim"
"Dammit Liz, I been sleepin for three ye-ahs"
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link
who could forget the scene where bacon, jones, and pesci are parading about painted in gold watching homoerotic silent 1920's sports footage!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link
"oh...no..."
***shot of sinister clock***
"h-how bad?"
"there's no woid yet, but they think it's in the he-ahd"
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:52 (eighteen years ago) link
"You're way out there, boss, taking a crap in the wind, and I for one am not going along on this ride!"
― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link
i assume this poster was made for a country where Joe Pesci is more popular than Kevin Costner.
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link
"Is this off the record Daddy-O? Good. In that case, let me sum it up for you real quick. If I answer that question you keep asking, if I give you the name of the big enchilada, you know ... then it's bon voyage Dino. I mean like permanent. I mean like a bullet in my head, you dig? You're a mouse fighting a gorilla. Kennedy is dead as that crab meat. The government's still breathing and you wanna line up with a dead man?"
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link
x-post YO!
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link
JIM I don't know what to tell them. How 'bout the truth - I'm doing my job to make sure they can grow up in a country where justice won't be an arcane, vanished idea they read about in history books, like the dinosaurs or the lost continent of Atlantis.
LIZ That sounds dandy, but it doesn't replace a father and a husband on Easter Day.
JIM (angry, turns away) It's going to get worse, honey.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link
Quote from Pesci about JFK: "[I was happy to see the Supporting Actor nomination go to Tommy Lee Jones.] When I see that I say, I helped. He worked with me and I helped him be good."
You know, I wonder if there's any behind-the-scenes footage in some vault of the filming of the party scene (where Pesci helped Jones be good).
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link
LIZ (groggily) Huh?
JIM (strangled) He won ... and they killed Robert Kennedy. They shot him down.
LIZ (realizing, with terror) Oh no! No! I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Both of them, both brothers, oh my God!
She clings to him, horrified. He caresses her hair. They look in each other's eyes.
LIZ (CONT'D) You're right, it hasn't ended, has it?
He kisses her gently - They start to make love, numbed, needing each other, needing their love in an increasingly terrifying world.
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:55 (eighteen years ago) link
Here's a question, who should have been the Criswell figure for this film, reading out that stuff as a narrator?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link
We see the four men in drag, smiling for the flash camera, champagne bottles in hand. Ferrie sniffs some poppers, then shoves a popper in Shaw's face.
FERRIE (to Shaw) You're mine, Mary. Go get the fucking tools out, bitch. Now! I want some ass.
Ferrie forces more poppers on Shaw. The camera movies to Shaw's bedroom, where Ferrie scatters a drawer full of leather tools.
FERRIE (CONT'D) (to Shaw) Come here, bitch. (Ferrie grabs Shaw by the hair) You want this? The only way you get this is do what I say. (Ferrie whacks Shaw) I'm the man. Don't ever forget it. (Shaw begs and whines) You want it? You want it? (Ferrie spits on Shaw) Fuck you and your rich friends. You're nothing but a rich whore! You're my woman! Get the cat! (to young man) Strip! Now, woman. I want to see skin.
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:13 (eighteen years ago) link
One guy. I don't know who. Big. White hair. I saw him in the office once. He looked out of place. You know, a society guy. Can't remember his name, but Oswald was with him. He had something to do with money, because Banister never kissed ass...but he kissed his. Clay something. That was his name. Clay....
― omar little, Wednesday, 24 July 2024 16:47 (one month ago) link
The "three shots in 5 and a half seconds" is on the face of it(*) one of the most convincing and objective problems with the lone gunman theory. But in the film when Garrison times the test shooting and he says it takes "between 6, 7 seconds" - if you time it it's actually under five and half seconds for all three shots! And under six seconds even if you count from when Garrison says "go".
(*) if the first or third shots missed then it's no longer a problem.
― ledge, Thursday, 22 August 2024 12:32 (four weeks ago) link
FBI tried two sets of tests. Not one sharpshooter could match Oswald's performance. Not one.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 August 2024 12:47 (four weeks ago) link
this presumes he was even aiming for that motorcade tbf
― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Thursday, 22 August 2024 13:44 (four weeks ago) link
this is why the babushka lady never came forward
― mark s, Thursday, 22 August 2024 14:11 (four weeks ago) link
Counter-arguments: Dealey Plaza is much smaller in person than you think it is. Also even if you're a mediocre Goldeneye player, I'm certain you can make the low-speed headshot in JFK Reloaded. Hell, I made it and I didn't even grow up around firearms.
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 24 August 2024 23:23 (three weeks ago) link
If ya believe what ya read in the papahs.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 August 2024 10:54 (three weeks ago) link