MAD MEN on AMC - Season 6

it definitely had a puzzle-falling-into-place feel

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bob's expression as he leaves pete's office seems telling... of what, i don't know. but his smile very gradually turns into a kind of an almost-relieved "well, that didn't work" grin.

pete didn't seem as aggrieved as, say, don might have been after bob's obvious overture.... maybe that speaks to his being taken totally off guard. or his general state of mind (depressed). or his not really being mad at bob. or maybe he's a little gay. or none of those things. my partner suggested it was b/c pete is "liberal" but "tolerance of homosexuality" is not really a mainstream "liberal" issue until decades later. homophobia was pretty equal opportunity in the 1960s.

has everyone forgotten that they had an openly homosexual employee in the office for at least a couple years

even the "you shouldn't get dressed in the lobby" thing b/t the two doormen is kinda anticipatory in a pure rhyming sense (don getting dressed hastily in the elevator, running into the lobby with his belt still untied IIRC)

bob's expression as he leaves pete's office seems telling... of what, i don't know. but his smile very gradually turns into a kind of an almost-relieved "well, that didn't work" grin.

I don't know! I agree with Seitz: he looked so triumphant that he could afford to not look cocky.

has everyone forgotten that they had an openly homosexual employee in the office for at least a couple years

when was Saul openly homosexual?

other than Don, only Cosgrove got any kind of hint.

*Sal obviously

yeah and ken is basically the nicest guy in the office so there's little chance he would have said anything

The german guy was gay and glad S2/3.

The joke with the Cosgrove-Sal romance was how the sci-fi writer couldn't conceive of anything so alien as another man coming on to him.

The german guy was gay and glad S2/3.

^^^ and it was openly discussed/referenced in the office

Bob the homo mole

but Sal was married! No one made jokes about him.

if i were teaching screenwriting and talking about how to properly set up an outrageous coincidence (sally walking in on dad/mrs. rosen) in a way that doesn't feel too overly manipulative, I'd show them this episode.

ted elliot or terry rossio had a good thing about coincidence which I thought made a lot of sense. having a character coincidentally fall into good luck is not dramatically satisfying but you can get away with almost any kind of outrageous coincidence if it leaves the character in a worse predicament.

homo slummin Bob-o mole

oh good another Whale fan

hahahaha

The joke with the Cosgrove-Sal romance was how the sci-fi writer couldn't conceive of anything so alien as another man coming on to him.

― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, June 10, 2013 5:06 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

to be fair prior to the dinner where sal's intentions were (almost) laid bare by his too-intense fixation on ken at the expense of his wife, sal's "come-ons" had mostly been of the sheepish "gee willakers!" high-school variety so one can see how ken did not detect anything.

ken was clearly upset and uncomfortable but like don he pointedly did not mention anything to anyone about it

don's whole "we won't work with these tobacco companies because they kill!" letter is pretty funny in light of them now having a Dow chemical account!

sorry that was kind of a non-sequitir, just got to thinking about sal and the tobacco dude

I'll have to watch the pre-dinner scenes again. The shrewdness with which the dinner was written, acted, and directed was in implicating the audience as Kenny allowed himself to doubt. There's never a wtf moment on his part -- just a steady accumulating awkwardness.

that sounds right.

the thing about the pete'n'bob thing is... could you think of many worse moments to make a pass at someone?

quiz: how many think manolo is actually, um giving pete's mom "pleasure"?

manolo's gay dude.

um, i know

you can't imagine him... never mind.

manLOLo

manolo bob-lick

Just saw this episode. HOLY SHIT. Best ever!

There is some really funny, really subtle dark humor in the last half. Sort of felt like the end of A Clockwork Orange. The anti-hero living the hell of his own hypocrisy.

Has anyone mentioned Stan's poster of Moshe Dayan?!?

yeah wtf up was that--some misguided pop art thing? maybe he just admires badass jews?

also the drapers have the best doorman in manhattan. dude takes his job incredibly seriously.

Feel as though some of you ppl are misreading Bob's reaction to Pete's rejection. Afaict he walked away with a kind of glazed, stiff upper lip expression, a closed door away from crestfallen.

Mostly enjoyed this episode, but Pete has become too easily caricatured. I liked the drinking camaraderie between him, Ted and Peggy, but he hasn't really been offset or layered by characteristics such as we saw with Trudy in earlier seasons. Granted he is a shitheel, but I preferred the ambiguity of his earlier development, when he wasn't so easily derided as a selfish, petty, frustrated jerk, and even came off favourably compared with some of his colleagues.

Thought Pete was amazing this episode.

still hoping Don ends up back with Rachel Menken for Season 7.

Has anyone mentioned Stan's poster of Moshe Dayan?!?

I did twice cuz... yeah, idgi

pete was really pissed off and frustrated there at the end, throwing his raisin bran around. are we to read this as him being frustrated about his repressed bi-curiosity or is he pissed that he's not as important as peggy, isn't on chevy yet this disgusting homo is, etc.

manolo totally checks out pete's butt in his first scene. manolo and bob have totally gabbed about pete's butt

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I think Pete's mad about the realization that the easiest way for him to get laid and not pay for it is w/guys. On top of that, the fact that it was BOB, whom he had gotten along with and had no real rivalry with (aside from the Chevy thing, which hasn't been addressed yet). He has no friends.

xpost: haha, speaking of homoerotic themes...

first person who has ever really wanted him and pursued him tbh

great episode, loved that juice scene.

the music after sally finds don and silvia is kinda ridiculous - obv it's traumatic but it is like as if she just found him beside a pile of bodies with a knife.

I have so much less respect for Bob Benson after all that, months of Mr Perfect and after all that he's hot for Pete? Literally any other person in the agency would be preferable, including Bert Cooper and he has no balls.

i like that don knows so little about sally these days that he thinks the old "she was very sad, so i was comforting her (in the vagina)" play would work.

jim cutler looks like the old man from up when he was youngeer

"she was very sad, so i was comforting her (in the vagina)"

and Don is silver-tongued enough to know how to insert the parentheses.

Don't think Don really expected to convince Sally, more like he just wanted to give her an alternate theory they could both pretend to believe. "You won't believe how much this never happened" all over again.

Surely he and Megan will be through by the end of the season though, right? Either Sally will tell, it will come up in an uncomfortable dining scene or something?

Megan hopelessly hoping for a better connection can only last so long I'd say. Her trying to kiss him when Don was going after Sally and found Megan home was painful to watch.

Don is going to convince Sally to murder Megan for him to end his sham of a marriage

it will be his best sales pitch ever

berry good

this was the first ep of the season that I liked