MAD MEN on AMC - Season 6

why is don going out of his way to help this kid? is it really a humanitarian impulse? b/c he knows the horrors of war? because he feels horrible guilt toward dr. rosen? probably a little of all those things.

this. really well done imho

i dunno, because he's in love with miz rosen seemed kinda straightforward as a motivation to me. it worked out!

Maybe, but he wasn't even expecting her to pick up when he called their apartment.

i think he also feels bad about fucking dude's wife. but hey, he gets to fuck dude's wife! win win!

for someone don is "in love" with, mrs rosen has been allotted precious few distinguishing characteristics other than the fright wig

yeah I don't think Don consciously thought "this will get me back into Sylvia's panties!" but as soon as the opportunity presented itself he was like, oh yes, of course.

i think he wanted to be seen as a hero -- wanted people to feel gratitude toward him, partly because at work many people are finding him unhelpful

i mean, that's part of it. the guilt he feels toward dr. rosen, and the desire he has for mrs. rosen to like him again (i don't think he explicitly thought he wanted to have sex with her again) were also part of it.

mrs rosen has been allotted precious few distinguishing characteristics other than the fright wig

+ little gold cross around her neck

I'm not sure which is more annoying: reading insane theories into every shirt and color on the show, or taking a bunch of time to untangle the most glaringly obvious story elements.

the latter

both

if you think reading about the show is redundant b/c you've figured it out immediately and feel no need to "untangle" it, why on earth are you reading this thread?

and if you think the level of discussion is too dull for your sharp minds, why not post something more intelligent and see how it goes?

these are rhetorical questions of course

also FWIW balls you are the only poster who is consistently glib and hateful enough to make ILX seem loathsome enough for me to want to leave for a few days/weeks/months. you should make yourself a medal for that.

if only i had cancer right?

if only

btw you're really getting a lot of mileage out of that, i admire your outrage efficiency

sorry, I'm sure I've been guilty of it in mad men threads before too. I just agree with forks that it was all pretty straightforward. but I agree with you that don's love of mrs. rosen, his friendship with mr. rosen and his feelings about war and his own desertion all came together nicely and pretty effortlessly in this plotline. when sally was at the back door I thought "oh great she's going to walk in on them. but no they wouldn't" but then when it actually happened it somehow worked and didn't seem forced or overly soapy to me.

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klebold in tweed

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anyway, i love what they have done with sally's character. she seems way more mature and level-headed at this point than i would have expected. watching her is excruciating to me because you can tell that she is beginning to gain a clear understanding of just how unavailable/unhelpful her parents have been, so like she is coming to terms with her own loneliness.

hi wk yeah i didn't mean to imply that anything i wrote about the episode was brilliant or that i was sussing out some incredibly complex stuff that other folks didn't pick up on. i was just rehearsing the issues surrounding the mitchell subplot and admiring how they brought together a number of plot strands that had been hanging around all season. seemed like a worthwhile-enough exercise for me.

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yeah, sorry

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/b/bob-benson.html

pretty sure the virtue of these threads is that it's cool with everyone if we think out loud, so to speak, rather than have totally original analyses to offer. the off kilter strangeness of this show puts me on the back foot enough that unpacking it this way is really fun.

re: Bob the homo mole I do kind of expect them to go somewhere a little different with him since he's their fourth gay character, that he's gay in and of itself is not particularly remarkable. I don't subscribe to any of the conspiracy theories really but if all there is to Bob is "he's GAY!" it's going to seem a bit silly.

yeah i just want to restate something b/c i think it gets to how this show, while it may not be as different as it thinks from the soap opera plots it likes to make fun of, is remarkably ingenious in its plotting. i admire the craft:

if i were teaching screenwriting and talking about how to properly set up an outrageous coincidence (sally walking in on dad/mrs. rosen) in a way that doesn't feel too overly manipulative, I'd show them this episode.

i mean the motifs of don's affair w/ mrs rosen, the girls having crushes on mitchell, sally's frenemy, don's triumph in keeping mitchell out of vietnam, the back-door assignations, the doorman, sally being forgetful and losing her keys, don stealing away from work midday to schtup mrs rosen, etc. -- some of them introduced long ago, other ones carefully planted earlier in the same episode-- all kind of converge on this one moment, rendering it kind of deliciously predictable rather than out-of-nowhere manipulative. that's good writing IMO.

it definitely had a puzzle-falling-into-place feel

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bob's expression as he leaves pete's office seems telling... of what, i don't know. but his smile very gradually turns into a kind of an almost-relieved "well, that didn't work" grin.

pete didn't seem as aggrieved as, say, don might have been after bob's obvious overture.... maybe that speaks to his being taken totally off guard. or his general state of mind (depressed). or his not really being mad at bob. or maybe he's a little gay. or none of those things. my partner suggested it was b/c pete is "liberal" but "tolerance of homosexuality" is not really a mainstream "liberal" issue until decades later. homophobia was pretty equal opportunity in the 1960s.

has everyone forgotten that they had an openly homosexual employee in the office for at least a couple years

even the "you shouldn't get dressed in the lobby" thing b/t the two doormen is kinda anticipatory in a pure rhyming sense (don getting dressed hastily in the elevator, running into the lobby with his belt still untied IIRC)

bob's expression as he leaves pete's office seems telling... of what, i don't know. but his smile very gradually turns into a kind of an almost-relieved "well, that didn't work" grin.

I don't know! I agree with Seitz: he looked so triumphant that he could afford to not look cocky.

has everyone forgotten that they had an openly homosexual employee in the office for at least a couple years

when was Saul openly homosexual?

other than Don, only Cosgrove got any kind of hint.

*Sal obviously

yeah and ken is basically the nicest guy in the office so there's little chance he would have said anything

The german guy was gay and glad S2/3.

The joke with the Cosgrove-Sal romance was how the sci-fi writer couldn't conceive of anything so alien as another man coming on to him.

The german guy was gay and glad S2/3.

^^^ and it was openly discussed/referenced in the office

Bob the homo mole

but Sal was married! No one made jokes about him.

if i were teaching screenwriting and talking about how to properly set up an outrageous coincidence (sally walking in on dad/mrs. rosen) in a way that doesn't feel too overly manipulative, I'd show them this episode.

ted elliot or terry rossio had a good thing about coincidence which I thought made a lot of sense. having a character coincidentally fall into good luck is not dramatically satisfying but you can get away with almost any kind of outrageous coincidence if it leaves the character in a worse predicament.

homo slummin Bob-o mole

oh good another Whale fan

hahahaha

The joke with the Cosgrove-Sal romance was how the sci-fi writer couldn't conceive of anything so alien as another man coming on to him.

― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, June 10, 2013 5:06 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

to be fair prior to the dinner where sal's intentions were (almost) laid bare by his too-intense fixation on ken at the expense of his wife, sal's "come-ons" had mostly been of the sheepish "gee willakers!" high-school variety so one can see how ken did not detect anything.

ken was clearly upset and uncomfortable but like don he pointedly did not mention anything to anyone about it

don's whole "we won't work with these tobacco companies because they kill!" letter is pretty funny in light of them now having a Dow chemical account!

sorry that was kind of a non-sequitir, just got to thinking about sal and the tobacco dude

I'll have to watch the pre-dinner scenes again. The shrewdness with which the dinner was written, acted, and directed was in implicating the audience as Kenny allowed himself to doubt. There's never a wtf moment on his part -- just a steady accumulating awkwardness.

that sounds right.

the thing about the pete'n'bob thing is... could you think of many worse moments to make a pass at someone?

quiz: how many think manolo is actually, um giving pete's mom "pleasure"?