I am scared of Saturday now in case I am wearing difficult-to-run-in shoes and you decide to beat me up.......
― Emma, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kate the Saint, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nick, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kim, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Besides, I think I'll be far too busy watching the DG/Mark S deathmatch to worry about beating anyone else up!
― tarden, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Patrick, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― AP, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Graham, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kerry, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I did like Graham's point as well. Who's doing the talking there? Or even attempting the listening?
What was interesting was growing up and thinking to myself that I'd never do anything horrible to a woman to make her cry, seeing as I was never going to be a wifebeater or hurler of sexist insults or whatever. And yet I did make people cry because of my own faults regardless. :-( Hopefully I've learned...but have I?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
You don't have to answer, of course, and I don't mean to be impertinent about sth which is presumably very personal. I am just curious.
Are you, um, putting the cart before the horse?
― the pinefox, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dave M., Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DG, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mike Hanle y, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nick, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
the punchline, on the inside: 'that just means you aren't pressing down the pillow hard enough!'. the rising amount of unreported woman-on-man domestic makes this very unfunny to me. i'm too tired for it right now, but anyone want to theorize about 'goodbye earl'? the video, gah.
― ethan, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kerry Keane, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Patrick, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
(For the record: I thought the joke was funny, but the humor has more to do with the inherent wrongness of it being okay to murder your SO. Gender wasn't a factor.)
― Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― tarden, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― lady die, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
What's your defn of sexist crap?
A man-hater is someone who associates certain characteristics that they hate with being male. If one were to really dislike men who behave agressively, one wouldn't be a woman hater. On the other hand, if one really disliked men because they thought that all men behave agressively, they would be a man-hater. It's the same with misogynists: if one were to really dislike women who burst into tears at the drop of a hat, one would not necessarily hate women. On the other hand, if one were to really dislike women because one thought that all women burst into tears at the drop of a hat, they would be a misogynist.
― Dave M., Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Otis Wheeler, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― tarden, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mark s, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dave M., Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― , Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Oh, come on. It's more that (in relation to the raping and maming bit, at least) it's comparatively very rare and even then, kept quiet (cause of 'unmanly' pressures you allude to later). If it *is* reported then it gets a BIG reaction from the world. It's like "WOOOOH! Dog bites man!" and then some women rightly make a fuss that it's ridiculous to give it so much attention when it happens all the time to women and this gives the women-haters 'see how they wish to censor THE TRUTH!' ammo and it all goes round in circles.
But some of the things you say need to be talked about maybe. It's just a shame they tend to get dressed up in one big Neil Lyndonesque seething tirade. The key thing is why do they have to add up to 'hating women'. Hating anyone is stupid enough. Let alone half the bloody population. I do feel fucked up by certain gender roles, yes. But sex wars are so passé. I've only just lightened up enough to enjoy Sex and the City on the grounds that it's all shit but it doesn't matter if there's a good joke every so often. Except it's not often enough. I'm with Julie Burchill on this.
― N., Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Regarding hatred of women, I have never advocated this, I ventured to answer the question raised in this forum, why do some men hate women.
Regarding the gender wars, I think a good step to end those would be the media, representing a very small segment of women, need to stop the war against men and in particularly boys in order to stop the gender wars. The media is guilty of denegration and degredation of males more than any single woman I know.
― , Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
*blinks, shakes head*
What, at St. Bobbitt's Hospital for the Stupid?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ally, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Samantha, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
As for Samantha's statement. Yes Samantha, there are places in the world like afghanistan and many arab lands where womens rights do not exist. This is a horrible situation and certainly needs changing. Look at Nepal where they sell their daughters as young as 6 to Brothels in India where they are raped and usually infected with Aids and die by 20. I will be the first to stand up for change on this front too. But what we are actually discussing here is more OUR society and our cultural perspective. And in our world it is a situation which we have been moving towards where we have made great strides for womens rights and changed many aspects of the former gender roles of females while we have stagnated in changing anything for men. Just look at Sweden, arguably one of the most progressive countries on Earth in terms of equality. In this country where over 50% of all members of parliament are women, 76% of all students at universities are female, males assume many responsibilities that were once thought to be part of the female gender role, men still assume primary responsibility for all perceived male gender appropriate activities. For example, in this bastion of equality it is still only males that MUST go into the military. Why has this not changed? Could it be that we as western societies still cannot accept the thought of disposing of our women as we are prepared to do with our men?
All in all my major point is that our perceptions of males in society is still not progressing. While we update our views on women we still live in the stone age with regard to our views on male gender roles.
― , Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― toraneko, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― di, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
i find it bizarre that people keep coming up with this one - its not safe for men to walk around at night either. Its fairly well known that most attackings on the street are committed against males (by males as well). Theres been heaps of time i've been threatened by sub-neanderthals for something a female companion has done or said because according to neanderthals ethics "you don't hit women". the other night i was walking along with a woman and these guys were getting agro in the street (strangely enough about putting down Di's hometown) and my female companion thought it was safe to loudly mock them. i doubt a male raised in our society would have done this unless they were prepared to join in a fight.
I'm not saying this for or against women's rooms at university, but i guess student politicians aren't the most sophisticated thinkers about gender politics.
― hamish, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
There are few men's rooms, because men have not done the work involved in proving the need for a man only space, finding an appropriate area, obtaining permission to utilise it, dealing with opposition to the idea, furnishing it, publicising it, etc.
This may be because they are lazy, or afraid, or because they do not feel such a strong need for such a space because 'public' areas are more geared toward men than women, as Lady Die suggested.
In any case, women who enjoy having a women only space are under no obligation to provide a man only space also. If men feel the need for such a space, they can do the work .
― gwendolin murdre, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dave q, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― N., Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
http://blingkits.com/DVD%20DVD/Menstruation/Menstration6.jpg
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Surely, surely, surely we got this sorted?
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:29 (seven years ago) link
in binders, iirc
― brimstead, Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:30 (seven years ago) link
Hiyoo
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:41 (seven years ago) link
Why Do (some) People Ask Overly-Broad Questions on Message Boards?
I mean, really now.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:42 (seven years ago) link
It draws the crowd, eventually they get around to the pitch (which almost always disappoints)
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:43 (seven years ago) link
They see in women a constant, painful reminder of their own incipient boobage.
― Two Kisses and Three Wet Mouths (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 August 2016 04:13 (seven years ago) link
(not all) Men
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 25 August 2016 04:14 (seven years ago) link