NEWSFLASH World Trade Centre NYC is on fire [Terrorist Action 11/9/2001

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SECOND TOWER FELL.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the capitol bldg was just evacuted as precaution. no attack there so far.

― Samantha, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

this is what I have:

Abu Dhabi television reported it had received a call from the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claiming responsibility for crashing two planes into the twin WTC towers overlooking New York harbour

the other tower has collapsed too

this is horrible

― cabbage, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

An official spokesman for the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine has denied any involvement.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Gulf War finished in May of 1991 though. Oddly - and possibly not at all connected - September 1991 offers as significant effects the end of the Russian communist coup, and the start of the Yugoslavian civil war.

My sources in the Palestinian organisation which have claimed responsibilty have been ringing the BBC non-stop to say that these people are nutters and not to believe them. Palestinians aren't that dumb. However suicide bombing suggests the Middle East - that's the form.

― Pete, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Towers both in rubble - mainhatten covered in large thick smoke clouds - just seen TV pictures of one tower collapsing and people running up the street to escape.

― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

it has to be bin laden. he's been threatening this forever. if i was an american abroad i'd be ringing the bell of the nearest embassy

― Samantha, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Another hijack plane heading for Washingston, American Military plane is in pursuit. TV pictures unbelievable. You would not get this in any movie script - this is very serious.

― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Bin Laden couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, my middle eastern sources say - and they don't drink. Very sceptical (Bin Laden's threat has been bigged up by the US previously for US governements own ends).

― Pete, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pete, Taliban - could organise it - they pay others to do the dirty work for them.

DLP - totally deny.

― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i agree with pete re bin laden: his org just ain't that big or effective

― mark s, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Bin Laden warned of "unprecedented" U.S. attack-expert
LONDON, Sept 11 (Reuters) - Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden warned three weeks ago that he and his followers would carry out an unprecedented attack on U.S. interests for its support of Israel, an Arab journalist with access to him said on Tuesday.
Abdel-Bari Atwan, editor of the London-based al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper said Islamic fundamentalists led by bin Laden was "almost certainly" behind the attack of the World Trade Center in New York.
"It is most likely the work of Islamic fundamentalists. Osama bin Laden warned three weeks ago that he would attack American interests in an unprecedented attack, a very big one," Atwan told Reuters.
"Personally we received information that he planned very, very big attacks against American interests. We received several warnings like this. We did not take it so seriously, preferring to see what would happen before reporting it." Atwan has interviewed bin Laden and maintains close contacts with his followers.

― Nick, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

another plane heading for washington, jet fighters chasing! what the fuck is going on?

― cabbage, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Iraq - Saddam could have connections also to this evil.

― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

could someone in uk call 07860248417 for me and just tell me dada I'm ok. I can't get a line out of this city

tell him to try us mobile

thanks

― ed, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Part of Pentagon collapsed, another plane in Western Pensylavana (sp) / Pittsburgh has reportely crashed.

― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You can't pay people to do suicide bombings. Crashing a plane into a building = suicide bombing. Zealots & fundamentalists modus operandi.

― Pete, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think the us has plenty of enemies.

― Samantha, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You fund the groups not the individuals. the suicide people fundamentalists think they are doing an honour for their cause. Money goes to groups/ family etc.

― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ed left a message on your dad's answering machine. Hope you're ok.

― Billy Dods, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No disrespect to people who have been killed, but I am seriously most scared about the US retaliation for this (if it is indeed an Arab attack)

― Nick, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

that's the main topic here too Nick, Bush is going to unleash his gung-ho dogs

― cabbage, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

facts - 50,000 people work in the World Trade Centre buildings.

― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

As well he should, there are probably tens of thousands of people dead. Like it or not you Brits are involved too.

― Lesley Higgins, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm with Nick on this. Obviously this is horrific but I am sure America will demand a response, and will that response be measured and appropriate or just increase the loss of innocent life.

― Pete, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

DJ Martian - surely most of these had time to evacuate before towers collapsed?
Lesley, I don't know what you mean. What are you saying Bush should do?

― Nick, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

third-hand info via new statesman: "the city" ie london financial district is being evacuated (lotsa sirens heard in angel maybe 3.oo, none since, may be unrelated)

― mark s, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It is is Afghanistan/ taliban behind it, will the US - launch a full scale attack on the Taliban/ Afghan islamic fundamentalist state ?

― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, Stock Exchange (and Canary Wharf I think) has been evacuated as a precaution.

― Nick, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The evacuation effort was not finished, many were trapped - the elevators were destroyed, people were having to walk. Does anyone know when the tourist decks open up? I thought they were pretty early, like at 8 - WHERE THERE PEOPLE UP TOP????! That freaks me out completely. Plus all the transport goes thru there - a grand total of *2 million people* go thru WTC every single weekday.

― Ally, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I am off work today ... Hoboken is a madhouse, cops and people running around like crazy. Air Force jets zooming overhead. People on the docks looking out at where the WTC was ... all train service in and out of Hoboken is shut down ... phone service intermittent, can't call my folks to tell them I'm OK

This is too fucked up for words ... I know people at the WTC

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Camp David just got hit. WTF?

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"It is is" = "If it is"? (sorry djm to be pedantic, but it is NOT YET A FACT that it "is" the taliban or anyone else...)

there is still profound controversy over who was behind the berlin disco bombing (which libya was bombed for) and lockerbie

(I am suddenly extremely aware of the sounds of aeroplanes as they fly over central london)

― mark s, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sirens started going in Kingston about 3pm as well, presumably heading into London.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I would assume NOTHING abt who is resonsible for this. Remember the mcveigh bombing, and all the assumptins that were made then. I hope monkey-boy, or his advisers have the wisdom to realise this

― Norman Fay, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Just heard from KJ mailing list - Alex in NYC is safe.

― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Evac plans for a building like the WTC would work on a zoning system, suitable for fire and often meaning that people in the higher areas would not get out for 20 minutes. This is assuming that everything is free from debris and structurally sound. It is impossible to make a building on that scale easy to evacuate - you just make them more fireproof. WHich does not help in a situation like this.

― Pete, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

This is so fucked up ... I can't even think straight

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I saw too too much.

― ed, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

If it is - correct MS that is what I meant to say.

― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

NO clue who's resp. for this ... I'm afraid some scapegoat's gonna get blamed with or without proof ... this jack-ass is gonna start a war over this, you watch

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I work in Canary Wharf. It's a kind of unofficial evacuation. You can go home if you want to. So I'm going to.

― Sam, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The attacks are too well orchestrated for terrorists.

― doomie..., Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Plane near Camp David, not on it. Still!

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i'm absolutely not a fan of the bush administration but i'm confindent that they will not act rashly in terms of counterattacks. Nothing was ever done about the bombing of our aircraft carrier b/c we still don't know who's responsible. I think their main concern right now would be securing our cities. But not since the brits burned down the white house has there ever been this kind of attack on american soil.

― Samantha, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I do not advocate starting a war. I advocate a systematic investigation to find out who is responsible. If the group responsible is uncovered, we should BOMB ALL HOLY FUCK OUT OF THEM.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

this is why NMD is futile

― ed, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My last coworker is accounted for, he finally showed. He's from Staten Island and goes thru WTC to get in every day, we had no clue what happened to him.

― Ally, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ally have you heard from fred?

― mark s, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Taliban have called a news conference for 15 mins time. Hmmm....

― Pete, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Skipping 17 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

There are I believe 110 floors in the WTC. 20 or so yYears ago, it was not rented out completely, when the city was broke. Now it is and there are loads of shops (really an entire mall) on the ground floor. Stuyvesant H.S. is within walking distance, perhaps 1/2 a mile avay. I walked down the road about an hour ago and could see both towers top 1/4 covered in grey smoke, this was shortly before the collapse I did no see that. I detest George Bush and his father, I consider it a tragedy for the majority of the American people that he got into office. But I am 100% supportive of retaliation by the US and Allies against the organization responsible for this.

― Lesley Higgins, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But what kind of retaliation?

― Pete, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(apologies for duplication from the previous thread)

As you know, CNN, ABC, and all the other "biggie" websites are down right now, so if you want news online, your best bets are local news websites,international news websites (esp. in foreign languages if you can read them),local radio station websites, and news mirror sites.

If you can get into ANY radio station's live broadcast (it doesn't have to be a news broadcast) connection, you can try changing the url within the broadcast to a bigger news radio channel. (For instance, logging into a local college radio channel and then changing the URL within RealPlayer to a larger news channel.) Good luck. Take care. My thoughts are with anyone who has loved ones in the middle of this. I hope they can be located soon, safe and unharmed.

― stripey, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The tunnel and bridge that connect Windsor to Detroit have been shut down.

― Andy, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

http://www.independent.co.uk/

― Billy Dods, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Independent look like fastest news link at the moment.

― Billy Dods, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The rank and file of Americans are not best pleased. My mother is foaming at the mouth, saying that whatever group is responsible, their nationals should be rounded up and sent back from whence they came. I told her that was a bunch of arse and the ugliest thing I had ever heard.

Grrr. Oh, Nick Momus is okay, he checked in.

― suzy, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

DG has asked everyone to switch over to this thread please:

http://www.ilxor.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=006L Sw

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

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